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Old Nov 18th, 2009, 12:59 PM   #1
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Old Nov 18th, 2009, 01:46 PM   #2
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The same kind of science was used to deny "Global Warming/Climate Change" not wishing to "poke the bear" but some citizens of Ehmacland believe the denying "science" more than the creditable science even though the denying "science" just like the tobacco "science" was bought and paid for by the vested industry interests.

God Bless those that believe what they believe they are free and entitled to believe the "science" of their choice.
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Old Nov 18th, 2009, 02:41 PM   #3
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The same kind of science was used to deny "Global Warming/Climate Change" not wishing to "poke the bear" but some citizens of Ehmacland believe the denying "science" more than the creditable science even though the denying "science" just like the tobacco "science" was bought and paid for by the vested industry interests.

God Bless those that believe what they believe they are free and entitled to believe the "science" of their choice.
Rather the same type of science is being used to promote Global Warming panic in order line Al Gore's wallet with our dollars.

The concept that climate is or even should be static borders on insanity. With roughly 400 parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere, man increasing the parts per million of CO2 that he contributes from 39 to 40 over the next 30 years cannot and will not have any significant impact on the climate. He has had a huge impact via wholesale deforestation especially of old growth forests and rain forests. His impact by flooding air, sea and landfill with all sorts of poisons is also far more dramatic. Going after those areas where mans impact is so obviously devastating would do much more to improve the planets and our own health than can be accomplished by shipping trainloads of cash to Al Gore.
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Old Nov 18th, 2009, 03:33 PM   #4
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Ooops. Not wanting to derail this thread, but I found this recently in a book about ...

... the first underground railway, the Metropolitan, which of course used steam trains. The atmosphere in the tunnels would have been appalling. In 1867, three people died from the fumes; the Metropolitan, brilliant at PR, claimed that their line was "a health resort for those with asthma".

Those PR crazy, laissez-faire Victorians.
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Old Nov 18th, 2009, 04:43 PM   #6
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The concept that climate is or even should be static borders on insanity.
Yep. Which is why you won't find any credible scientist making such a claim.

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With roughly 400 parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere, man increasing the parts per million of CO2 that he contributes from 39 to 40 over the next 30 years cannot and will not have any significant impact on the climate.
I had no idea you were a professional climatologist with the decades of research experience necessary to make such a claim eMacMan! Please, do elaborate on the empirical evidence that supports this prediction.

Or, is this just another uninformed opinion from someone with no training and no basis for making any judgement on the matter?
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Old Nov 18th, 2009, 05:34 PM   #7
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bryanc, it's sad to poke myhead in here and demand, once again, that anybody discussing climate research needs to be climatologist "With decades of esperience." Scientists are just scientists--they're no more special than bus drivers or carpenters.

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Old Nov 18th, 2009, 05:37 PM   #8
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Yep. Which is why you won't find any credible scientist making such a claim.



I had no idea you were a professional climatologist with the decades of research experience necessary to make such a claim eMacMan! Please, do elaborate on the empirical evidence that supports this prediction.

Or, is this just another uninformed opinion from someone with no training and no basis for making any judgement on the matter?
Nope based on the fact that the earths atmosphere has been measured at roughly 400ppm. The climate alarmists claim man is responsible for just under 10% of that hence the 39ppm estimate. As to how long it will take man to increase his contribution that's based on guesses by Soviet climatologists. Same guys who claim we are entering a period of global cooling. Funny thing is, unlike the Gore Gang, the Soviet scientists accurately predicted the slight cooling that occurred in 2008 and 2009.

For me the main reason I refuse to hop on the Global warming panic wagon is this. The quickest and surest way to reduce CO2 emissions is to eradicate 3/4 of the planets population. Add the justification of CO2 hysteria to the religious lunacy that goes along these lines; "He's not (fill in your religion here) and therefore it's legitimate for me to kill him." Sooner or later it will lead to a nuclear or biological holocaust. Don't believe me? look at Iraq, Afghanistan and in the near future Iran. That's where buying into fear mongering will certainly lead us.

Sort of the same approach that has gone into peddling the H1N1 vaccine.

There are times that fear is an appropriate response however H1N1, the Taliban and Global Warming do not fall into that category.
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Well, MCB, want to declare this thread derailed? Or is it still breathing? If so it's probably because it's smoked Chesterfields for several decades ...
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bryanc, it's sad to poke myhead in here and demand, once again, that anybody discussing climate research needs to be climatologist "With decades of esperience." Scientists are just scientists--they're no more special than bus drivers or carpenters.

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Yes... And when the time comes for some home renovations, I won't be calling scientist to finish my basement, or a scientist to drive my city bus.

There a very powerful lobby groups in the energy field spending a lot of money to distract people from real scientific evidence now just as there were powerful lobby groups in the tobacco industry to distract people of the scientific evidence of smoking.

I still hear some real common-folk today tell me that smoking isn't that bad based on the anecdotal evidence of a uncle who has smoked all their life and isn't dead.

I predict 50 years from now, people will be mocking the ignorance to global warming and climate change like we mock the ignorance to the harmful effects of smoking now. Except in this case, it won't be as funny.
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