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Old Aug 26th, 2009, 09:09 AM   #1
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All of the Mac consultants I know say that this will KILL them right now.

If the economy were better, they don't seem to be opposed to the idea in general, but at the MOMENT it's a 12% tax hike on service customers (which is the bulk of what a Mac guru does). Timing = not great.
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Old Aug 26th, 2009, 10:38 AM   #3
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Having spent the last week in BC, there wasn't a single person we spoke to who had anything good to say about it, despite the positive spin some newspaper articles were putting on it.

Have a cousin whose daughter is getting married next year, they moved the date to the spring from the fall in order to save the tax...

As tourists, we'll definitely rethink destinations. We love visiting BC, but at what expense? Even with the PITA of crossing the border, Montana, here we come!
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All of the Mac consultants I know say that this will KILL them right now.

If the economy were better, they don't seem to be opposed to the idea in general, but at the MOMENT it's a 12% tax hike on service customers (which is the bulk of what a Mac guru does). Timing = not great.
Well, a 7% hike because the 5% GST is already mandatory on service and consulting for any reporting company or individual service provider. And the 7% PST is already applicable on any service which requires taking a screwdriver to a machine (modifications or repairs to a tangible object * ) or custom programming --only pure knowledge work such as software installation ** , writing, consulting and training are officially exempt. A regulation which is more recognized in the breach than the observance, of course.


http://www.sbr.gov.bc.ca/documents_l...inessGuide.pdf

* "A taxable service is any service provided to install, assemble, dismantle, repair, adjust, restore, re-condition, refinish or maintain Tangible Personal Property. Generally, if an item is taxable when purchased, services provided to that item are also taxable."

** Exemptions:
"services provided to software, such as installing, configuring, repairing, restoring or providing corrective action, including the removal of viruses "
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Old Aug 26th, 2009, 10:52 AM   #5
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GST clobbered Ontario when it came in, and the province has never recovered, being transformed from a "have" to a "have not" province. I expect HST to finish off what was started. Of course, overtaxation has created the biggest single economy in the nation, that of the underground, "tax free" economy. Not only that, overtaxation has made driving out to the Reserve a very popular trip, and not only for smokes (they already have over 50% of the tobacco business in the province, and something like 1 million people buy smokes from there), but for all sorts of goods, even iPods and Macs, since a quick drive out is worth the 13% savings off the top.

It is not that this tax money is going to anything good. It is only going to the vast machinery of waste, like the eHealth garbage which is nothing more that a few hundred people cashing in large with outrageous "consultants fees" - even though there is not one person among them that knows anything about computers. It would be better to pay Bob Young $10 Million and come out with some swank Red Had based solution than top pay for endless $25,000 speeches. The waste is a pandemic.

BC also gets saddled with the whole Olympics thing - a venture that rarely creates a real return on investment. Look what it did to Montreal - it went bankrupt and everyone moved away. The Big O was finally paid for a few years after it started collapsing, and now has no remaining tenants left since the Expos fled town. Of course, it is better that BC wastes money on the Olympics, because at least that creates a bit of employment and some publicity - rather than to waste it on crass garbage like eHealth, which is nothing more than a crass money wasting venture that benefits a few corrupt officials who strive to create yet another disaster prone, bureaucratic empir that will eat more money that Ollie North's shredding machine ate government documents in the old days.

Of course, the added tax will simply lead to many more "cash" or "barter" situations for consultants - but will clobber retailers and legitimate service departments.
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Old Aug 26th, 2009, 11:40 AM   #7
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Hmmm,

I think I know the chief for the Capilano Indian band? Not sure I have the name right, but it's the local reservation. This could be a good opportunity for them to jump on. I'll have to see what he thinks next time I bump into him and some of the other prominent Native characters in the area. Very industrious bunch.
No, it's not a legitimate dodge. A non-Indian purchasing goods (possibly excepting tobacco and motor fuels, which have separate regulations) on reserve land is not exempt from sales tax.

Finance - Provincial Sales Tax

"Under the Indian Act (Canada), Status Indians and Indian Bands are exempt from PST where the sale takes place on reserve land, or title to the goods takes place only once the goods have been delivered to a reserve location. Leases to Status Indians are exempt where the individual is resident on a reserve.

The item purchased or leased must be for the personal use of the individual or for the use of the band.

Only individuals who qualify as an Indian under the Indian Act (Canada) and hold a "Certificate of Indian Status" card issued by the federal government are eligible for the exemption."

http://www.sbr.gov.bc.ca/documents_l...ns/sst_046.pdf

To summarize: Only status Indians are exempt, and only for goods for their personal use, and only if sold on reserve or delivered directly to reserve.

Non-Indians purchasing goods on reserve, and status Indians taking delivery of goods off-reserve are not exempt.
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That's really interesting.

Are the rules different for Ontario or are people breaking/bending the rules there too?
You'd have to check Ontario's legislation, but as far as I know the basic rules are laid out in the Federal Act, and the provinces follow those.
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It;'s all about ignoring the "rules". Just like one is supposed to remit PST when they bring something across from the US - no one actually does. Same with the Reserve, where they generally won't collect the tax (except on gas), and thus, it is up to the consumer to remit the tax somehow.

For the past week, they have had a "crack down" on people that drive off of the Reserve, with illegal search and seizure of items without a warrant or writ of assistance - and the policy has been widely criticised because of this, and the fact that it is not "smuggling", since it is entirely occurring on Canadian territory, and involves no international or inter-provincial borders.

Of course, I entirely support the Native position, since the shenanigans has gone on far too long in Caledonia. It's time to give back the land that is rightfully theirs by treaty, and it is time for the white man to start living up to treaty obligations and following the rule of law. As for things like tax - it is time to stop levying unfair and unequal taxation, especially when the people do not have representation or a say in how the money is to be wasted. The only people that are held "accountable" are those who simply go into a store and purchase a product. No one in Government has ever been found in contempt of the people, and those that are caught red handed looting the treasury not only get away with their crimes, they are rewarded with hundreds and thousands of dollars in "severance" for their crimes.

HST is nothing more than a collossal rip-off, and the citizens of BC should prepare to thoroughly punish the despicable politicians that have worked to ruin the province with this filthy, corrupt tax - in the same way that Ontarians really need to organize, rise up and overthrough the contemptable McGuilty regime for their endless crimes against the people of the province and nation.

As for the "law" - since the Government sees fit to overturn the law when it comes to land claims or selling land to developers that is no theirs to sell - I see no problem with people "forgetting" to charge and collect a contemptable tax. Our nation is severely overtaxed, and the tax money collected goes to a variety of wasteful efforts, like in sustaining a fraudulent health care system that benefits a handful of executives, or by sustaining the extravagant lifestyles of teachers that molest children while instilling Marxist doctrines instead of providing education.

But then again, Ontario is so pathetic these days that one can't even get a driver's license these days because of a strike that could easily be settled if they hadn't wasted tens of millions on the garbage eHealth system - a system that is even more pathetic and useless than the Federal Gun Registry...
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