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Old Mar 5th, 2009, 12:47 PM   #1
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Greyhound bus killer avoids jail time

Vincent Li found not criminally responsible Unbelievable!!!!!
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AHHHH MAZING! People are no longer held criminally responsible for their actions anymore - because they've experienced a moment of insanity....Who hasn't done that at one time or another?

At any given moment, somebody next to you - on the bus, in a bank teller line-up, in the grocery store, driving down your neighborhood street, having dinner in a restaurant, etc etc...could experience a moment of insanity and take you out, and they won't be held criminally responsible. ...I can't dwell on it though - unless I want to become a paranoid shut-in.

Here's a question...If a person is aware of their own mental illness and they choose not to treat it, then could they be held criminally responsible?
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Old Mar 5th, 2009, 01:18 PM   #4
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Why is it Canadian style, SINC? Is this sort of thing unique to Canada?

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Li was hearing voices in his head -- which he believed came from God -- telling him to eliminate "the force of evil" by attacking the sleeping Mr. McLean, psychiatrists said.

Li stabbed the carnival worker to death, then beheaded and cannibalized the body.
Does this sound like something a sane person would do? Seems like a pretty silly thing to do for *****s n' giggles.

Regardless, if he is exploiting mental illness to avoid jail time there is a good chance he will be found out once he is fully diagnosed.
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Old Mar 5th, 2009, 01:28 PM   #5
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Justice Canadian style strikes again.
From the point of view of "Easy Justice":

If you go in on a murder charge, you are guaranteed a chance at parole. Going into an institution for the criminally insane on the other hand has no guarantee of any chance of getting out.

Think of it as the original dangerous offender charge. We keep you until you are no longer dangerous.

From the point of view of how it was dealt with, if ever there was a cut a dry case of insanity and lack of responsibility for actions performed, this is probably it.

I don't think you will see this fellow out on the street any time soon.
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Old Mar 5th, 2009, 01:32 PM   #6
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From the point of view of "Easy Justice":

If you go in on a murder charge, you are guaranteed a chance at parole. Going into an institution for the criminally insane on the other hand has no guarantee of any chance of getting out.
But the fact that he may be released is disturbing. Can you ever be "cured" after having knifed and decapitated someone? I'd wager that most Canadians would hope not.
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So does this mean that if you want to kill someone, eat part of the victim so you can go to a mental institution and recover?

Seriously, we need to have a plea called "Guilty and Insane" so that insane murderers can got to a prison built to treat their insanity.
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Why is it Canadian style, SINC? Is this sort of thing unique to Canada?
Sure it's unique to Canada. Try China for example and see how they deal with it.

The comment was directed at the Canadian justice system in general. Where else for example, does a life sentence for murder mean you can get out in 15 or 25 years? We're pussies when it comes punishing offenders. We're the original "slap on the wrist" justice system. Justice by wimpy judge and not the people.
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Old Mar 5th, 2009, 01:40 PM   #9
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So does this mean that if you want to kill someone, eat part of the victim so you can go to a mental institution and recover?

Seriously, we need to have a plea called "Guilty and Insane" so that insane murderers can got to a prison built to treat their insanity.
That is actually a very sound call. We need a Juniper Hill or an Arkham.
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AHHHH MAZING! People are no longer held criminally responsible for their actions anymore - because they've experienced a moment of insanity....Who hasn't done that at one time or another?

At any given moment, somebody next to you - on the bus, in a bank teller line-up, in the grocery store, driving down your neighborhood street, having dinner in a restaurant, etc etc...could experience a moment of insanity and take you out, and they won't be held criminally responsible. ...I can't dwell on it though - unless I want to become a paranoid shut-in.

Here's a question...If a person is aware of their own mental illness and they choose not to treat it, then could they be held criminally responsible?
Here's a question...If a person is aware of their own mental illness, seeks treatment, but still commits a criminal act could they be held criminally responsible?

I don't think that should enter the equation. A lot of drugs used for treating people have been linked to causing serious depression, suicide, and acts of violence towards others. The treatment could make matters worse for some.

I think at this point the biggest question is "short of being sent free, does it really matter what happens to this guy?" If he's as deranged as he's made out to be then a guilty verdict and jail would only serve as a symbolic gesture for the family - unless they hope he goes the way of a Jeffrey Dahmer and gets some prison justice. As for Vincent Li, jail might be pretty good for a guy who supposedly has a messed-up mind - daily routine, 3 square meals a day and various other forms of entertainment. If he can't comprehend murder I doubt he could feel punished by being put in a cell (likely solitary confinement). The psychiatric facility is likely just as good in this case - get him to understand what he did then he can truly suffer the anguish once he understands the reality of his actions. Otherwise, it's all pointless IMO.
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