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Old May 24th, 2020, 10:23 PM   #2181
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Green Electricity Delusions

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Green electricity is quite useless. The latest trend in green electricity is wind or solar with battery backup. This green electricity costs about nine times more than the fossil fuel electricity it displaces. The true cost is hidden from the public by hidden subsidies and fake accounting.
Bold mine.

Wait! Wha...???

But I've been assured by the best Prog sociologist out there that parity had been achieved!

Shocka...

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Natural-gas plants have a fuel cost of about $15 per megawatt hour. Wind or solar with battery backup costs about $130 per megawatt hour. For grid stability reasons new wind and solar plants are being equipped with battery storage, greatly increasing the cost. Without the battery backup wind or solar electricity costs around $75 per megawatt hour. To be clear, the electricity supplied by wind or solar at $75 to $130 per megawatt hour (not counting subsidies) could be generated in existing fossil fuel plants for $15 per megawatt hour.
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Why the various states and the federal government continue to pursue, mandate, and subsidize green electricity is a mystery best explained by psychiatrists and students of propaganda.
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Old Aug 18th, 2020, 12:32 PM   #2182
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Finally! Alternative energy I can get behind.

Alberta studies nuclear power again — this time, it's small modular reactors

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On Friday, Premier Jason Kenney signalled the province will sign a memorandum of understanding (MOU) to join three other provinces to support the development of small modular reactors.

Known as SMRs, these reactors would cost less to build than larger-scale plants. They could eventually be used to power remote communities, as well as provide steam for oilsands developments, instead of burning natural gas, according to the province.

“They are small and can be mass-produced, which means that we can dramatically bring down the cost with mass production,” said John Gorman, CEO of the Canadian Nuclear Association.
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Alberta to join other provinces in exploring small nuclear technology

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The Alberta government says it plans to join three other provinces in exploring small-scale nuclear technology.

New Brunswick, Saskatchewan and Ontario signed a memorandum of understanding in December regarding development of small modular reactors.

Alberta says in a news release that it will also enter into the agreement to help diversify its energy sector.
Alberta to explore small-scale nuclear tech

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Our government is exploring all opportunities that could help diversify our economy and create jobs for Albertans,” says Jason Kenney in a release. “We are building on our track record of responsible and innovative energy production by exploring the potential for small modular reactors, which have the potential to generate reliable and affordable energy, while also strengthening our traditional resource sectors and reducing emissions. We are excited to collaborate with our provincial partners to stay ahead of the game in the development of this promising technology.”
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Wait for the hue & cry from the left. They want us to diversify our economy, yet nuclear ist verboten...
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Old Aug 18th, 2020, 12:43 PM   #2183
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Finally! Alternative energy I can get behind.

Alberta studies nuclear power again — this time, it's small modular reactors

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Alberta to join other provinces in exploring small nuclear technology

Alberta to explore small-scale nuclear tech

Bold mine.

Wait for the hue & cry from the left. They want us to diversify our economy, yet nuclear ist verboten...
I can recall more than 50 years ago doc Rowland telling a Physics 101 class that the problem of nuclear waste would be easily resolved. Has not happened yet.

However if we are talking Thorium reactors using something other than Flouride salts as a cooling medium, I could really get behind this.
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Old Aug 19th, 2020, 01:35 PM   #2184
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California’s Blackouts Display The Results Of Kamala Harris’s Favored Energy Policy

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It’s hot out West and California’s electricity grid is under tremendous strain. The state’s first intentional rolling blackouts since its 2001 energy crisis hit on Friday. Tuesday’s forecast electricity demand is likely to exceed the record reached in 2006. Also, if it weren’t for substantial imports of electricity from coal- and gas-fired power plants in other Western states, it would be far worse.

California’s energy travails come at an embarrassing time for the Democratic national presidential ticket of former Vice President Joe Biden and California Sen. Kamala Harris.
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Old Aug 19th, 2020, 01:38 PM   #2185
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MSNBC's Chris Hayes on Trump Base: White Guys Without College Degrees, Enough Cash to Buy a Boat

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Not unlike disgraced ex-FBI official Peter Strzok, who said he could "smell the Trump support" at a Southern Virginia Walmart, MSNBC's Chris Hayes let his left-wing Ivy League arrogance show by describing the Trump political base as "white men without a four-year degree" and just enough extra income "to buy a boat."
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Hayes apparently is not familiar with the history of the Democrat Party, slavery, the Confederacy, the KKK, Jim Crow and segregation.
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Old Aug 22nd, 2020, 04:59 PM   #2186
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California’s Electric Grid Is Near Collapse

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Michael Shellenberger, best-selling author of “Apocalypse Never,” Tweeted: “California’s bet on renewables, & its shunning of natural gas & nuclear, is directly responsible for the state’s blackouts and high electricity prices,” and warned about the Biden-Harris plan.
California’s bet on renewables, & its shunning of natural gas & nuclear, is directly responsible for the state’s blackouts and high electricity prices.

The Biden-Harris plan is even more aggressive. “There is no [US] state right now [as] ambitious”https://t.co/skblJYHcyU

— Mike Shellenberger (@ShellenbergerMD) August 18, 2020
Watts provided a chart showing California’s growing power outages between 2008 and 2017:
Hell, nothing a coupla trillion p!$$sed away on battery banks can't fix!

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Besides, blackouts result in a lot of folks and businesses running generators as backup power and they pollute more than a large NG plant.

And-It’s been well known for a while that the increasing demand from charging EVs would put significant stress the CA Grid.
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Old Aug 22nd, 2020, 06:08 PM   #2187
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California’s Electric Grid Is Near Collapse



Hell, nothing a coupla trillion p!$$sed away on battery banks can't fix!

From the comments:
CM's green paradise is already here on Earth!
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Old Aug 27th, 2020, 01:19 PM   #2188
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Progs'll hate it...

A nuclear battery that never needs charging?

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A California company, NDB (which stands for nuclear diamond battery), is developing a nuclear battery using waste products from nuclear power plants that will never need charging and will be able to replace almost any ordinary battery, from those used in computers and smart phones to AA and AAA batteries.

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The company says it has already built a proof-of-concept, and will begin building commercial prototypes as soon as it can reopen (they were shuttered by the Wuhan flu panic).
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Old Oct 8th, 2020, 04:00 PM   #2189
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Caution, Progs: Empirical data & math enclosed. Your head will explode. You've been warned.

Not news to anyone paying attention:

There’s no such thing as clean energy

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All good environmentalists detest renewables and are appalled at the money wasted on the industrial renewables corporations.

All the rest are unwitting marketing agents who provide free advertising for banks and multinational conglomerate profits. In the process they hurt the poor and scorch the Earth.

In short: The world spent $3.6 trillion dollars over eight years, mostly trying to change the weather. Only a pitiful 5% of this was spent trying to adapt to the inevitable bad weather which is coming one way or another. Both solar and wind power are perversely useless at reducing CO2, which is their only reason for existing in large otherwise efficient grids. Wind farms raise the temperature of the local area around them which causes more CO2 to be released from the soil. Solar and wind farms waste 100 times the wilderness land area compared to fossil fuels, and need ten times as many minerals mined from the earth. Biomass razes forests, but protects underground coal deposits.

The role of large wind and solar power in national grids is to produce redundant surges of electricity at random or low-need times. They are surplus infrastructure designed in a religious quest to generate nicer weather. They always make electricity more expensive because the minor fuel savings are vastly overrun by the extra costs of misusing and abusing perfectly good infrastructure, which has to be there to provide baseload and backup, and yet is forced to run on and off, sitting around consuming capital, investments, labor and maintenance. It is simply impossible to imagine a situation where unreliable generators have some productive purpose on major grids other than to generate profits for shareholders or their mostly Chinese manufacturers.

Despite the extortionate, futile mountain-of-money paid to wind and solar parasites, they produced a pitiful 3% of all the energy needed on Earth, while fossil fuels produced 85%.

Everyone who loves renewables should be asking themselves how much they hate the poor.
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Old Oct 25th, 2020, 10:56 AM   #2190
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Some promising new battery technologies...

Why Vanadium Flow Batteries May Be The Future Of Utility-Scale Energy Storage
Vanadium is an element that can commonly exist in four different oxidation states. That just means that it can exist as an ion with different charges. For example, a vanadium ion that is missing three electrons would have a charge of V3+. If you add an electron to it, it converts to a V2+ ion. This transfer of electrons back and forth is what makes VFBs charge and discharge, as the vanadium ions in the battery swing from V2+ to V5+.

This differs from lithium-ion batteries in that every time lithium charges and discharges it is plating and deplating lithium metal on the cathode. Although this reaction is almost completely reversible, it will lead to degradation after a few thousand cycles and performance will decrease.

A VFB consists of two tanks of electrolyte dissolved in water and separated by a proton exchange membrane. Both electrolytes are vanadium-based. As the batteries are charged and discharged, vanadium ions are simply moved between oxidation states. According to Matt, this can be done tens of thousands of times over a time period measured in decades, with no degradation in the ability of the vanadium solutions to hold charge.

They estimate that every 10-20 years, the membrane that the ionic species crosses over will require a replacement. Again, this is unlike a lithium-ion battery where the entire battery would need to be replaced. They compared this to maintenance on a car. Matt indicated they have products in the field that have done more than 30 years of charging and discharging cycling.

Li-ion batteries do have an advantage in energy density, which is why VFBs are being targeted for stationary applications. However, compared to Li-ion batteries for grid scale storage, there is no fire risk with VFBs. Li-ion batteries need to be spaced farther apart or have sufficient fire suppression. Thus, VFBs can be packed tighter than lithium, so the footprint for grid-scale operation is comparable.

Regarding the cost, Invinity reports that they sell their batteries at a price in the same ballpark as Li-ion per MWh for the industrial market. The benefit of Invinity’s VFB comes in the levelized cost over time because of the decades of service a single device can deliver. VFBs can charge and discharge multiple full cycles daily for 20 years. Even though you may get thousands of cycles with a Li-ion battery, for a utility or commercial storage application where daily cycling is needed that may not be enough to give Li-ion the advantage.

Invinity’s core technology – the “cell stack” at the core of the VFB - is developed and manufactured in Vancouver, Canada.

(...)

I asked about the supply of vanadium. I learned that vanadium is the 13th most abundant metallic element in the earth’s crust. It is more abundant than copper. Further, the supply of vanadium in the battery can be recycled practically endlessly as the vanadium ions are moved between oxidation states, and not destroyed or degraded. In addition to the vanadium electrolyte being infinitely reusable, the balance of Invinity’s VFB is made almost entirely of common materials, like steel and household plastics, that can be easily recycled.

There are large vanadium reserves in the U.S. At present, 90% of the supply goes into steel manufacture. So, steel-producing regions like China are currently the largest producers of vanadium.

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