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Old Oct 22nd, 2008, 11:34 PM   #71
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I'm on the fence of electric cars in this Province. I still prefer Toyota's method and that is their Hybrid vehicles that charge the battery inside the vehicle by not plugging it in, but by using the energy created by braking. Good on Toyota. So, the next time we have a major black out, you can still drive an electric car, you just won't need to plug it in .

It doesn't matter really what we do for vehicle technology, whether we put 1000 electric cars on the road to replace 1000 gas cars, we still have 1000 cars on the road.

In major populated cities like Toronto, why the heck are there so many one person vehicles on the road headed to downtown Toronto or area for work each day? Those types of people should be made to take public transit or have to pay some sort of high surcharge for doing that. There should be no need for that. Car pool, take public transport, but you shouldn't have to see thousands and thousands of one person inside a vehicle on a Monday - Friday going to and from work in downtown Toronto. That is why cities like Toronto need to look at rapid transit mode, change their public transit infrastructure to make it happen.

I seriously don't see Toronto changing their ways in the next 10 years. If I'm lucky, maybe by the year 2010, I can actually walk faster down the 401 to Toronto as all drivers are sitting around in traffic going nowhere due to too many people on the road.

Just the other day again, as I was coming back from Toronto, the East bound traffic was so congested with just vehicles on the 401, that traffic was backed up all the way to Kitchener and passed Milton. No accident, that's just peak time traffic not moving at all. At that time, it will take you close to 3 hours to get from K-W to just the Toronto Airport area, let alone going to downtown Toronto. If that's what is meant by building electric vehicles, then go ahead, because you can then sit in complete silence while waiting to move an inch on the 401 due to congestion.

I'm still waiting for the railway system to be cost effective and then I will take the train back and forth instead of driving. It could take them another 100 years though, before they realize a good thing.
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Londoners could be hailing the first battery-powered black cabs in early 2009
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Plans to launch a fleet of electric black cabs in London are gathering pace with further meetings between UK officials and the co-owners of the company that makes the capital's iconic taxis.

According to an article in the Financial Times, Chinese company Geely, which co-owns black-cab-maker Manganese Bronze, has been in talks with UK government officials to discuss the launch of electric taxis in London next year.

"One of our ideas is to convert London taxis [to electric propulsion]," Li Shufu, the company's chairman, told the Financial Times. "We are doing research on this project."

Matthew Cheyne, Manganese Bronze's international development director, told BusinessGreen.com that a partnership between his company and electric vehicle specialist Tanfield Group, announced in April, is progressing and that the first electric black cabs could be on London’s roads early next year.

"We have given Tanfield some gliders [engineless taxis], basically vehicles that they can start doing some work on, but it is very much in the early stages, " said Cheyne.
According to information released in April the all-electric version of Manganese Bronze’s TX4 black cab – to be branded the TX4E – will have a top speed of 50mph and a range in excess of 100 miles on one battery charge.

Although there is not a specific date set yet for trials of the electric cabs, Cheyne confirmed that the companies were looking at early next year to introduce a fleet of ten prototype vehicles.

Given Geely's international reach the cabs may be deployed elsewhere in the world but London will offer a "good proving ground" for the technology, according to Cheyne, because of the intensity at which the fleet would be used and the potential infrastructure for recharging.

In June, London Mayor Boris Johnson invited manufacturers to put forward proposals for low-carbon cabs. "As well as significantly cutting carbon dioxide emissions, we're looking for taxis that are quieter and produce fewer air pollutants, which will be good news for anyone who spends time in London," Johnson said at the time.

Although the mayor reportedly discussed the electric cab project with Geely representatives while at this summer's Beijing Olympics, there does not appear to be a firm commitment from Transport for London (TfL), or any other authority, to actually purchase the electric cabs. "At the moment it is between us and Tanfield Electric. Logic would say that there is a benefit for Transport for London but at the moment it is us developing it," he said.

Relations between Manganese and TfL may have been strained after 12 TX4 cabs caught fire in September. Manganese was forced to launch a product recall at a cost of around £4m.

Once developed, the TX4E taxi will be powered by a Tanfield electric drive train and a lithium-iron-phosphate battery pack. Based on current electricity prices, the companies estimate the TX4E will cost less than 4p per mile to run but is likely to have a higher initial purchase price than the diesel-powered TX4.

A spokesperson for TfL said: "The Public Carriage Office (PCO) is keen to work with motor manufacturers to introduce taxis to London with lower fuel consumption and carbon dioxide emissions, including electrically powered vehicles. Any manufacturer, existing or prospective, should bear in mind that vehicles must meet the London conditions of fitness."
Electric black cab project makes progress - 20 Oct 2008 - BusinessGreen

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Mexico City has a law: no public taxis can be older than 10 years. If they are, they must be replaced.

For Señor Victor Juarez G. and his associates in the world's second largest city, that presents them with an opportunity. If -- and that's a big IF -- all the licensed and "gypsy" (unlicensed) cab operators in the city comply with the edict, in 2008 some 30,000 taxis -- many of them antiquated VW Beetles -- will have to be retired.

Now Marcelo Ebrard, Mexico City's would-be 'green' mayor, is mandating that from the first 30,000, ten percent of these replacements will be hybrids (only the Honda Civic Hybrid is sold in Mexico), 10 percent will be fueled by compressed natural gas and 10% will be battery-powered electric cars.

In reality, however, Juarez G. doesn't believe any hybrids will be bought because they cost nearly $8,000 more in Mexico than the regular gas version. Cab operators won't be able to justify the added cost, which opens up the possibility for the introduction of more electric versions.

Electric taxis aren't a new idea. Some of the very first commercial motor vehicles in history where electric taxi cabs that operated in Philadelphia and New York in the 1890s.

More than a century later, a battery electric taxi was tested in New York City with discouraging results [NYC Electric Taxi Can't Hack It]. The converted Chrysler PT Cruiser was equipped with Kokam lithium polymer batteries, which should have been up to the challenge, leading to speculation that either the technology employed was faulty or the parties involved didn't want the experiment to succeed... or maybe both.

Regardless of the reasons, Juarez G. is convinced that modern electric taxis -- properly done -- can be successful in Mexico City where the average cabby drives about 200 km (107 mi) per day and cold winter weather isn't as much of a challenge. Working in cooperation with the RUTAS UNIDAS association of bus and cab operators, his colleagues at Electro Autos Eficaces de Mexico (EAE) -- led by Mr. Luis Pérez Quintana -- and Azure Dynamics (AZD) -- headed by their new CEO Scott Harrison -- plunged into the development of a Nissan Sentra taxi conversion powered by an AZD 20kW AC Direct Drive and Kokam energy packs.



Called eLECTROTAXI ®, it is similar to the one found on their first conversion project, Numero Uno, which is now in Tampa, Florida for demonstrations to local officials.


EVWORLD FEATURE: Mexico City's ElectroTAXI Revolución: Electric Car | Taxi Cabs | Marcelo Ebrard



Electric taxis have been in development for the last 10-15 years in Mexico city. With about 25 million people living in one city that is in high altitude pollution is a massive problem.

They are still not fully implemented but from billboards around the city, the city is advertising they have about 800 on the road right now and are gradually introducing more until all the taxis are electric.

I just takes vision, money and the real need for it to happen.


I have been driven around in a couple electric ones before in the city and they are fine. I have seen a fully electric Honda Civic and the modified Sentras before.
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The main issue is the battery pack range - the rest is basic engineering and sufficient incentive.

One more reason a carbon tax is needed. Polluter pays.



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In major populated cities like Toronto, why the heck are there so many one person vehicles on the road headed to downtown Toronto or area for work each day? Those types of people should be made to take public transit or have to pay some sort of high surcharge for doing that. There should be no need for that. Car pool, take public transport, but you shouldn't have to see thousands and thousands of one person inside a vehicle on a Monday - Friday going to and from work in downtown Toronto. That is why cities like Toronto need to look at rapid transit mode, change their public transit infrastructure to make it happen.
I'm one of these people and what you don't know is that I use my SUV for work, it might look like there is one person in the SUV at 9am but at 8am there were 2 people in there when I dropped off my wife at work which saves her from taking a 2 hour TTC ride from hell. I see plenty of GM Yukon's on the road but I don't judge because I don't know what there circumstances are for owning such a large vehicle. Also we shouldn't make anybody do anything that they don't want to we should have choices and we make those choices based on our needs. Toronto should look at operating the TTC like a real business and stop asking the provincial or federal governments for handouts every time they need money to balance there budget, if the TTC needs money they should raise prices or find other ways to manage there money problems(ie: stand up to unions, get buses to run on time), in my business if my car needs repairs I pay for it and raise the prices a bit and pay for the repairs over time I don't go crying to the federal government.

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I'm one of these people and what you don't know is that I use my SUV for work, it might look like there is one person in the SUV at 9am but at 8am there were 2 people in there when I dropped off my wife at work which saves her from taking a 2 hour TTC ride from hell. I see plenty of GM Yukon's on the road but I don't judge because I don't know what there circumstances are for owning such a large vehicle. Also we shouldn't make anybody do anything that they don't want to we should have choices and we make those choices based on our needs. Toronto should look at operating the TTC like a real business and stop asking the provincial or federal governments for handouts every time they need money to balance there budget, if the TTC needs money they should raise prices or find other ways to manage there money problems(ie: stand up to unions, get buses to run on time), in my business if my car needs repairs I pay for it and raise the prices a bit and pay for the repairs over time I don't go crying to the federal government.

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What do you need a GMC Yukon for? It holds 5 people as most 4 cylinder cars do. The Xl's hold "9" but 7 comfortably and so does a mini van and when in the hell was the last time anyone ever saw someone in a Subruban, Yukon XL or an Escalade ESV with seven people in it?

Drive a mini van...

99.9% of the Yukons et al. I have ever seen on the road do not have hitches so don't bring that they have to haul their gas guzzling boats around.
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The main issue is the battery pack range - the rest is basic engineering and sufficient incentive.

One more reason a carbon tax is needed. Polluter pays.
The way a carbon tax works is to make things so much more expensive that people change their lifestyles. Of course the people that get hurt the worst are the ones that cannot afford to replace their vehicles or improve the insulation in their homes and spend most of their discretionary income on food.

The Carbon Tax and flawed English cost Dion the election. Things do need to change but this one was a very bad idea right from the get-go.
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What do you need a GMC Yukon for? It holds 5 people as most 4 cylinder cars do. The Xl's hold "9" but 7 comfortably and so does a mini van and when in the hell was the last time anyone ever saw someone in a Subruban, Yukon XL or an Escalade ESV with seven people in it?

Drive a mini van...

99.9% of the Yukons et al. I have ever seen on the road do not have hitches so don't bring that they have to haul their gas guzzling boats around.
MY SUV has seating for 5 but most of the time that I haul people it's just 2 people and my dog, but I do haul allot of other stuff around which I have to fold the rear seats down for.

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Now, the electric variants of those once quirky, funny looking scooters have become one of the most popular buys of 2008, providing a largely hassle-free and cheap form of urban or commuting transport for many looking to minimize their carbon footprint and gas costs.

We've chosen eight popular electric scooter models to see what kind of fit they would be for you. So what are you waiting for? Jump on!

The hipster: Go-Ped ESR 750
MSRP: $999

The original step-on lo-fi motor scooter has been improved once again this year with a new electric motor that's capable of reaching a top speed of over 20mph. It uses four 12 volt SLA (sealed lead acid) batteries. Turbo mode allows faster travel in a five-mile range, which the economy setting allows eight miles.

It weighs 52 pounds and its aircraft quality Chromyl frame will hold up to 400 pounds. Its sister model, the Hoverboard, tips its hat to 'Back to the Future' with the board's retro yet futuristic appeal and raised independent suspension, while its cousin, the Trail Ripper 46, boasts a similarly cantilevered frame and rugged tires to smooth out the bumps and dips. A full recharge costs just 10 cents.

The eco-warrior: eGO Cycle 2 Classic
MSRP: $1,399

This one's a perfect, stylish fit for an ecologically minded rider, though it's also great for RV or camping trips. The motor produces 2hp and is powered by 24 volt batteries. It's sturdy at 140 pounds and will carry a combined 250 pounds in rider and cargo weight.

Range is good at 25 miles and it will hit 18 mph at the top end. Large wheels at 20-inches make this one a pretty utilitarian ride. Recharge time is about six hours while running costs are about eight cents a mile.

Range includes the LX and silky SE, which comes with more luxurious trim including directional signals, speedometer and horn. Frame has 10-year warranty and batteries are covered for six months.

The highway patrol: Vectrix
MSRP: $9,395



Rhode Island police officers are putting these to the test in a three-month pilot program announced in July -- officers like them for their ability to maintain mobility and personal contact with residents.

This more substantial highway-legal scooter, with dimensions more akin to a regular full-size motorbike, will take about seven seconds to top out at 62 mph. Remarkably, it costs just one cent per mile to operate.

It takes between three and five hours to charge to its maximum range, which is 68 miles. It uses nickel-metal-hydride batteries -- common in hybrid autos -- which benefit from regenerative braking. Battery replacement cost is $3,000 but Vectrix says the battery will last 10 years or 1,500 charges. Two-year warranty covers entire bike for parts and labor.
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MY SUV has seating for 5 but most of the time that I haul people it's just 2 people and my dog, but I do haul allot of other stuff around which I have to fold the rear seats down for.

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I mean to say that people who have SUVs usually do not need the v8 or large v6 engine under the hood. They tend to seat as many people as a passenger car. Would a nice Subaru station wagon not have worked better for your needs and you could have taken a 4 cyl. engine?
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