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Old Oct 15th, 2008, 08:50 PM   #51
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Not bad the only thing that I would be concerned about is the 200 mile range but it looks good and the HP and torque are not too shabby at all.

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Old Oct 16th, 2008, 09:29 AM   #52
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Please elaborate on why its a crock?

An M3 follows a Prius for 10 laps and actually used less gas, the test had nothing to do with performance or handling it simply showed that if people actually change there driving habits they can manage to use less gas. Instead people go out and spend money on something that they think will make them environmental gods when all they really have to do is change there driving habits and they will see the rewards in there wallets.

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Do I really have to explain? OK. It's a fairly well known fact hybrids are only truly "eco-friendly" when driven as if there were an egg under the accelerator. Stuffing the gas to the floor on a race course will obviously net VERY poor economy - taxes the gas engine to the maximum. In real world testing, the Prius makes any BMW a poor competitor in the mileage wars.

The comparison in your provided video link is simply absurd.
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Old Oct 16th, 2008, 09:57 AM   #53
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Now how about 10 laps of stop and go in traffic.....very different result.


( not that I'm a hybrid fan - only PHEV will really save money. )



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Old Oct 17th, 2008, 12:32 PM   #54
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Do I really have to explain? OK. It's a fairly well known fact hybrids are only truly "eco-friendly" when driven as if there were an egg under the accelerator. Stuffing the gas to the floor on a race course will obviously net VERY poor economy - taxes the gas engine to the maximum. In real world testing, the Prius makes any BMW a poor competitor in the mileage wars.

The comparison in your provided video link is simply absurd.
I still think the point of that test is valid and if the point of a hybrid is to drive it like grandma going to church on Sunday than no thanks I can have more fun driving my Mini and get better gas mileage to boot too.

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Old Oct 18th, 2008, 02:18 PM   #56
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That's all fine and dandy but please sit down and figure out how much all that tech will cost to implement in the average house and then throw in the price of the PHEV and once again you will probably figure out that pressing a bit less on the gas peddle will be better for your bank account.

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As much as I'm not yet convinced that PHEVs are the way to go there is one that looks cool enough to sit in my driveway too bad that they had to remove the back seat to make room for the battery.

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BMW has finally unleashed some information and photos of the much anticipated MINI E set to debut next month at the LA Auto Show. For those who haven't been paying attention, late last spring BMW announced plans to build and lease a fleet of 500 battery powered MINIs starting sometime in 2009. The front wheels of the MINI E receive torque through a single speed gearbox from a 204 hp, 162 lb-ft electric motor. Those numbers are rather unusual for an electric drive system which usually has much more torque. Nonetheless, the MINI E can hustle to 62 mph in 8.5 seconds and, according to BMW, can cover about 150 miles on a full charge of its lithium ion battery pack.

Anyone who has driven a MINI knows that the back seat is for small kids or occasional use only. For the purposes of this electric version, that is no longer an issue as that area has been completely consumed by the battery pack. The pack itself has a capacity of 35 kWh and judging by the description the company has used a similar set up to the Tesla Roadster. Instead of larger cells specifically designed for automotive applications, this pack uses 5,088 cells arranged in 48 modules. As always, charging time depends on the current and voltage of the outlet the car is plugged into. MINI will be supplying a high current charging station with the cars that can be installed in the driver's garage to facilitate quicker charges, providing a full charge in 2.5 hours. The regenerative braking system can provide three-quarters of the braking requirements when running in urban stop and go driving. Aside from the battery pack replacing the rear seat and the yellow trim, the main change inside is a battery meter that replaces the tachometer in front of the driver. BMW will be leasing the 500 cars to commercial and private customers in California, New York and New Jersey starting early next year. They may eventually expand the program to Europe as well.
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That's all fine and dandy but please sit down and figure out how much all that tech will cost to implement in the average house and then throw in the price of the PHEV and once again you will probably figure out that pressing a bit less on the gas peddle will be better for your bank account.

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Most of the electric cars coming out today (Optimal Energy, Lightening Automobiles etc) use three facet interface which is just industrial interface. Your electric stove would use three facet and so you would really just need a line taken from your breaker up to your garage. Not so big of a deal really.
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That's all fine and dandy but please sit down and figure out how much all that tech will cost to implement in the average house and then throw in the price of the PHEV and once again you will probably figure out that pressing a bit less on the gas peddle will be better for your bank account.
Not really.

Let's just take a round number. Once a week fillup of 80 litres at $1 a litre = $360 a month.

versus say daily charges of $3 for 60 km $120 a month.

Many small cars can be bought for $199 a month - savings are $240 a month.....just in fuel alone.

Add in some gov rebates ( low finance cost is the key to do this ) for PHEV and anyone driving short distances it's a no brainer.

You could scrap the old vehicle at $0 and still be ahead.

Everyone on the planet is doing that calculation and it's even better where fuel prices are higher ( tho cost per mile/km might be about the same ).
If govs put on carbon taxes - the incentive gets higher yet and of course there is moral suasion of going carbon neutral.

When self interest aligns with carbon neutral vehicles....it will come in a wave.

In terms of house energy - the gradient in savings is not nearly so steep so adoption is slower. BUT- the PHEV can also act as a storage facility for personal solar or wind - that synergy helps both.

The heavy duty chargers are only to allow fast charge - something not necessarily needed.

Now eventually the govs are going to get all gnarly about that lost tax flow and put on electronic tolls.

BUT - those tolls will apply to fossil vehicles too.



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And governments are just going to roll-over and accept all the lost taxes on gas??

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