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Old Dec 11th, 2007, 01:35 PM   #1
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Old Dec 11th, 2007, 02:42 PM   #2
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In Denmark wherever you go you will see huge wind turbines everywhere. They now supply I think 20 to 30 percent of Denmarks electric power needs.
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Wind co-ops take the power grid monopoly away from the giant corporations and put it into the hands of the people through co-op ownership.
Actually, no. The power grid is still owned by whoever built it. It is never 'owned' by the co-op. Power generation is taken away from other power generation companies.

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It also creates a lot of employment
Short term construction employment. Long-term, jobs would just move from older power generation to newer power generation facilities.

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In my opinion put up as many wind turbines as possible.
Where? 'Everywhere' really isn't a place. Who's land? What are the wind currents like in available areas?

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Then expand public transportation with electric trolley buses, subway, and skytrain systems.
Who's paying for this infrastructure? Toronto can't even afford to expand it's existing public transit infrastructure. Now you want somebody to spend money on building a new power generation system, and build new transit infrastructure?

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Also, expand our railway systems and make it so that they move both lots of people and lots of freight powered by electricity from the wind turbine farms.
Again, who is going to pay to develop this infrastructure? Perhaps you would be agreeable to a tax increase?
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Old Dec 11th, 2007, 03:08 PM   #3
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Again, who is going to pay to develop this infrastructure? Perhaps you would be agreeable to a tax increase?
Absolutely!
I already pay extra for green electricity. (Bullfrog Power). Bring it on! More windmills = less BS!
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Old Dec 11th, 2007, 04:01 PM   #4
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Imagine the news...

2005 - Global warming - the rising threat to our planet.
2010 - Construction starts for 10MW wind farm.
2020 - New 10MW wind farm hearlded as the ultimate weapon against Global Warming.
2040 - 25 years of drastically altered wind currents -- Global warming had nothing compared to this new threat.

There's just no winning folks as long as we're addicted to any form of energy and as long as there are so many of us on this planet.
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Old Dec 11th, 2007, 04:26 PM   #5
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Imagine the news...

2005 - Global warming - the rising threat to our planet.
2010 - Construction starts for 10MW wind farm.
2020 - New 10MW wind farm hearlded as the ultimate weapon against Global Warming.
2040 - 25 years of drastically altered wind currents -- Global warming had nothing compared to this new threat.

There's just no winning folks as long as we're addicted to any form of energy and as long as there are so many of us on this planet.
This is a big fat red herring (a type of fallacy) and nothing more.
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Old Dec 11th, 2007, 04:36 PM   #6
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Old Dec 11th, 2007, 04:40 PM   #7
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Britain is planning to go all wind for home electricity.

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LONDON - Britain unveiled plans Monday to generate enough electricity through offshore wind farms to power every home in the country by 2020, increasing production more than 60-fold and changing the look of its coastlines.

Britain's wind-swept coasts and shallow waters are ideal for offshore turbines, but wind generated power currently accounts for less than 2 percent of its energy generation.

Business secretary John Hutton said the government planned to reach the target through a fourfold increase in the amount of space off Britain's shores allocated for wind farms.
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The move would change Britain's coasts, Hutton acknowledged, but said the need for energy self-sufficiency left the country no choice. He said the plans would depend on environmental impact studies.

"But if we could manage to achieve this, by 2020 enough electricity could be generated off our shores to power the equivalent of all of the U.K.'s homes," Hutton said in a statement.

The British Wind Energy Association, a trade body that represents the country's wind and marine energy industries, welcomed plans for more offshore wind farm sites, but it said it would be difficult to raise Britain's wind power production from half a gigawatt currently to 33 gigawatts by 2020 the equivalent of the energy now consumed by every British home.

Eight gigawatts' worth of wind generation projects are already planned, but the group said the limited supply of turbines meant the amount of wind energy produced by 2020 would likely be closer to 20 gigawatts.

"We'd really be struggling from a 'Where can we get the turbines?'" point of view, the association's economics director Gordon Edge said.
Bullfrog is no great burden at all and will only get cheaper. A number of my clients have signed on and it's pretty easy to get back to the old cost by changing some habits....clothes line for instance and low energy lights.

Now if Canada had been on the ball we could be building wind turbines in Ontario to meet worldwide demand by now instead of dealing with idjits like Harper.

There is this little item of the St. Lawrence Seaway that allows us low cost shipping of such large structures anywhere in the world.

I tell you, if this gov had to build the Seaway from scratch....they'd find an excuse to do nothing.



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I wonder how much of that is marketting and how much of that is fact. From the news and documentary shows that I've watched on wind power most people say they can't stand the sound and that you can hear the wind turbines for miles. It's so much of a problem that they can't find land sites for them. It may be a good idea to find water sites for them, but then salt water can't be good for them. Salt water would erode them faster.

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Now if Canada had been on the ball we could be building wind turbines in Ontario to meet worldwide demand by now instead of dealing with idjits like Harper.
It might have something to do with the problem that nobody wants them around due to the noise.
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I wonder how much of that is marketting and how much of that is fact. From the news and documentary shows that I've watched on wind power most people say they can't stand the sound and that you can hear the wind turbines for miles. It's so much of a problem that they can't find land sites for them. It may be a good idea to find water sites for them, but then salt water can't be good for them. Salt water would erode them faster.



It might have something to do with the problem that nobody wants them around due to the noise.
The downtown (exhibition place) windmill is not noisy. Perhaps there are a bunch of chicken littles running around. Next time you are in Toronto, check out our windmills and judge for yourself. I think this is more from the "anything to keep the status quo" crowd or worse from the companies who have a vested interest in the status quo. (read oil companies). Certainly the noise from roads is worse than the windmills I've heard. By far...
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