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View Poll Results: What is the most formidable problem humanity faces over the next 30 years
Population changes, including mass migration as well as growth or falling 14 20.00%
Water supplies including too little or too much and wrangling over ownership 14 20.00%
Climate change in all it's weird manifestations 31 44.29%
Fossil fuel shortages - geo-political wrangling included 11 15.71%
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Old Dec 14th, 2006, 12:22 PM   #1
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The four horsemen??

Just reading a SciAm article on water shortages ( or in some cases over abundance ) around the planet.

Now of course these four problems are related but just curious as to which YOU think might be the most problematic for humanity within the next 30 years.

Quite frankly I'm not sure which I'll vote as most dangerous destrier and rider.



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Old Dec 14th, 2006, 12:28 PM   #2
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"The Four Horsemen of Notre Dame comprised a winning group of football players at the University of Notre Dame under coach Knute Rockne. They were the legendary backfield of Notre Dame's 1924 football team. The players that made up this group were Harry Stuhldreher, Don Miller, Jim Crowley, and Elmer Layden."

"The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are mentioned in the Bible in chapter six of the Book of Revelation. The four horsemen are traditionally named Pestilence, War, Famine, and Death."

MacDoc, I would go with an underabundance of water as THE #1 problem that the world shall face due to global warming.

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Old Dec 14th, 2006, 12:31 PM   #3
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Vote away Dr. G but you may be surprised to learn that there will be likely MORE rain.

Just at the wrong times in the wrong places...tho I suppose that also fits your watery warrior's visage.



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Old Dec 14th, 2006, 12:35 PM   #4
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hey, that phrase is copyrighted!!!!!!! I'll let you off with a warning this one time; but please don't use it anymore. It took several years on the road touring with my my 3 buddies and a whole lot of "work" to earn that knickname. It's cool with me but "Gigolo Enterprises Inc." might sue you big time!

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Old Dec 14th, 2006, 01:08 PM   #5
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MacDoc, I think that droughts, rather than floods, will cause mass migrations. This will lead to social tensions, and after that comes "The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse". Paix, mon ami.
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I tend to agree- Australia is leading the way ( what an unfortunate thing to lead on ).
The rains are still there but in the summer instead of winter and as a result salt is a massive and perhaps insurmountable problem.

They are already several years in the worst drought in 70 years and it's looking very grim for a couple of cities.

One is planning a massive de-salination plant but that will only address one third of the needs.

http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsst...1310/story.htm

Now THIS I did not know.....wow....


Quote:
Australia drought sparks suicides
By Nick Bryant
BBC News, Sydney


Australian farmers are facing tough times
Australia's severe drought has led to an alarming rise in the number of suicides among farmers.

One farmer takes his life every four days, according to the national mental health body Beyond Blue.

The group has called for psychologists to tour agricultural areas to combat anxiety, stress and depression.

Earlier this week, Prime Minister John Howard tried to address the growing problem of rural poverty by announcing a $263m aid package for farmers.

With the drought now in its sixth year, Australia's big dry is the worst in over a century.

Farmers have been hardest hit, forced to make a living sometimes in dustbowl conditions, raising emaciated cattle.

With no prospect of significant rainfall before the New Year, the situation has reached crisis point and hope is as scarce as rainfall.

Many farmers are being forced to sell up, leaving land which often their families have worked on for generations.

Tough reputation

The suicide rate among farmers is already twice the national average.

Now, Beyond Blue has produced new figures showing that one farmer commits suicide in the country every four days.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6065220.stm

Fiercesome horseman indeed



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There is even talk of New York City hitting 9 million people within the city limits within my lifetime. There will be other sorts of tensions there in this case.
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At least NY has the Big Pipe for water...that what a smart bit of planning and engineering.
NY seems to be going green as well tho I'm hearing Miami temperatures are moving north right quick.

Hot times....summer in the city.....



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Transportation in NYC will be the problem, especially the subways and bridges. Next, affordable housing.
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Old Dec 14th, 2006, 02:02 PM   #10
 
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Climate change for sure.

We are always looking for alternative energy sources, so our need for fossil fuels will slowly diminish.

Nature takes care of population control.

Technology can easily alleviate water issue. Desalination of ocean waters is easy.
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