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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 01:56 AM   #1
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We need proportional representation

Saskatchewan has 17 ridings 1/4 of the people in Saskatchewan voted NDP. The NDP won no seats.
That is not democracy.

The BQ got 10.5% of the vote and won 51 seats. The NDP got 17.5% of the vote and got 28 seats.
The liberals got 30% or the vote and got 102 seats.
The Greens with 662,000 votes 4.5% of the popular vote gets no seats

If you can't see what is wrong here you are blind.
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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 07:52 AM   #2
 
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Here's what the parliament should look like, by popular vote:

Con - 112
Lib - 93
BQ - 32
NDP - 54

Can't find the numbers for the Green, but presumably it would be most or all of the 17 missing seats. A rather different parliament, no?
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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 08:02 AM   #3
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here's some more info...
63.7 % of people who voted did not choose Harper.
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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 08:09 AM   #4
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Election reform never seems to gain traction.

I wish it would.
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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 08:43 AM   #5
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You want real election reform? Get rid of the Bloc! They should not be allowed to run in Federal elections.
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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 09:56 AM   #6
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Miguel,

If we had some type of PR system in place, the Bloc would have only received 32 seats (as RevMatt pointed out). I don't see anything wrong with regional movements in themselves, but the problem is the current voting system rewards parties that are concentrated in one region disproportionately more than parties with broad national support (ie. the Greens).
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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 10:02 AM   #7
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ELECTION 2006: VOTING SYSTEM REWARDS SEPARATISTS AND PUNISHES WESTERN LIBERALS, URBAN CONSERVATIVES, NEW DEMOCRATS, AND GREENS (January 24, 2006)

Once again, Canada’s antiquated first-past-the-post system wasted millions of votes, distorted results, severely punished large blocks of voters, exaggerated regional differences, created an unrepresentative Parliament, and may possibly have even given us the wrong government. [Note: The following commentary is based on returns at 1:00am EST, January 24, 2006.]

The chief victims of the January 23 federal election were:

Western Liberals: In the prairie provinces, Conservatives got three times as many votes as Liberals did, but won nearly ten times as many seats. In Alberta, the Conservative Party won 100% of the seats with 65% of the votes. The 500,000 Albertans who voted otherwise elected no one.
Urban Conservatives: The 400,000-plus Conservative voters in Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver should have been able to elect about nine MPs, but instead elected no one. The three cities together will not have a single MP in the governing caucus, let alone the cabinet.
New Democrats: The NDP attracted a million more votes than the Bloc, but the voting system gave the Bloc 51 seats, the NDP 29. Nearly 18% of Canadians voted NDP, but the party won less than 10% of the seats and does not hold the balance of power, unlike the Liberals and the Bloc.
Green Party: More than 650,000 Green Party voters across the country elected no one, while 475,000 Liberal voters in Atlantic Canada elected 20 MPs.

from your link HighApostle .... very interesting

http://www.fairvotecanada.org/fvc.php/
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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 10:28 AM   #8
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Good summary and THE WHOLE SETUP SUCKS !!!!!

2/3 of Canadians vote for socially progressive parties and who gets to form the government.???
So instead of moving forward socially, repairing infrastructure and programs the time will spent dodging Neanderthal policy salvoes and making uncomfortable deals.

At least Harper is on a short leash. We'll see now the reality of the move to centre claims.



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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 10:29 AM   #9
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highapostle, I'm not disagreeing with the distribution of seats. (I will say that I like having an MP who is accountable to me. I'm not sure that a new system will provide me with that accountability. I need to do more research on that.)

What I'm talking about is that the Bloc is not a federalist party. Their main goal is to have Quebec separate (or be sovereign, if you will) from Canada. As for their actual social and economic platform, it is positioned mostly left of centre and so you would expect that most of the people who voted for the Bloc would have ended up voting either Lib or NDP had the Bloc not existed.

We need lawmakers who will make laws representing all Canadians, not just those in a particular region. What if we suddenly had an "Alberta First" party who won all the seats in Alberta? (No comments from the peanut gallery please!) If we continue on this path, Canada will end as more of a loose federation of semi-autonomous regions a la Spain.
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So are you willing to stipulate that you cannot form a party without representation from say, 3 provinces?
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