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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 12:16 AM   #1
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Martin won't run again

In his concession speech, Paul Martin said he will represent his riding but will not lead the Liberals into another election as leader.

Very decisive.
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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 01:45 AM   #2
 
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I'm betting he will retire from his seat not too long from now.

Paul is old, and his day is done. The party that he so desired to lead for so very long, will soon be devastated by corruption charges and multiple arrests. The witch hunts will begin rather soon...and the Bloc and the NDP will be in full agreement, so this will pass through parliament like a hot knife through butter.

The Liberals will not survive this.

The end of the old party that we once knew as the federal Liberal party of Canada is now at hand. Just as certainly as the old PC party was ended, about a dozen years ago.

This is good. Change is scary...but it's also good.

The people of Canada have overwhelmingly voted for change. Now watch it happen.
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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 01:59 AM   #3
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The people of Canada have overwhelmingly voted for change.
A little bit of an overstatement. Canada voted for change-lite, a moderate Conservative platform with a weak minority mandate.

Now Harper must follow through on the style of the platform. If that involves throwing Liberals in jail, so be it. The public outcry would be defeaningly silent.
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If you were to look at a map that showed the nation of Canada...one that coloured the parts that voted Liberal VS the parts that voted Conservative...

You'd see a vast sea of Conservative blue all across the land, with a few small dots of Liberal red in and around and inside SOME of the larger cities.

Yes, those small red dots represent quite a lot of people. How many though?

One third? Slightly less? maybe twenty per cent? Or even less?

And no one can dispute that this Liberal support number has shrunk quite dramatically, in both of the past two elections. Even much of Quebec is getting onto the same page as the rest of Canada, these days.

What does that tell you?

Figure it out.
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If you were to look at a map that showed the nation of Canada...one that coloured the parts that voted Liberal VS the parts that voted Conservative...

You'd see a vast sea of Conservative blue all across the land, with a few small dots of Liberal red in and around and inside SOME of the larger cities.

Yes, those small red dots represent quite a lot of people. How many though?

One third of the total population? Slightly less? Maybe only twenty per cent? Or even less?

And no one can dispute that this Liberal support number has shrunk, quite dramatically, in both of the past two elections. While the Conservative support numbers are growing by leaps and bounds. Even much of Quebec is getting onto the same page as the rest of Canada, these days.

What does that tell you?

Figure it out.
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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 03:07 AM   #6
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While the Conservative support numbers are growing by leaps and bounds.
Again, some overstatement. The 2000 election Alliance+PC vote share was the same/slightly higher than this election's Conservative vote. Zero progress in popularity. The seats gains exist due to our system, which some used to want to Reform.

This is a clear 'try before you buy'. The anger against Liberals is there, but majority support of Conservatives (1984) isn't yet there. This will be an interesting parliament.
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A parliament that no one from any party seems to want to defeat any time soon, BTW.

And one that will be totally committed to rooting out and arresting the crooks that were sitting in those seats under the previous party in power, BTW.

Which will leave precisely WHAT as a real opposition, once all of the smoke clears and all of the numbers are counted?

(Want to vote Liberal in the 2009 elections?? TOO COOL! You only need to walk down that alley behind main street and find the other three guys who are still voting Lib, and get together with them. Prerhaps you guys can all get together and get something started again. Who knows?)

Then you'll just need some brand new squeaky clean stalwarts who will actually want to run on the now-discredited Liberal ticket. With no money. And no real support.

Good luck on that.

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Just checked 1997. PC+Reform vote share was slightly higher (1 or 2%) than this election's result for the Conservatives. This has always been about a unified moderate Conservative option that Canadians have wanted as an alternative to Liberals for quite some time now. Provide it, and you get power until you eff up, or people get bored. Don't provide it at your peril.
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And one that will be totally committed to rooting out and arresting the crooks that were sitting in those seats under the previous party in power, BTW.
Be careful with that one. A quick rooting out of all the crooks allows for a quick rebirth with fresh new faces. You'll want it to drag on a bit and have a few get away but still run for the party. Keeps the taint alive.
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Beej...see my other posts on this subject.

There is only ONE thing that Stephen Harper and Co. can do to make a real difference. To make ALL Canadians SEE that he is different from all of the previous wastrels...

Deep investigations, and quick arrests of the guilty. ALL of the guilty.

Viola! No more Liberal party!

Problem solved.
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