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Old May 24th, 2004, 02:37 AM   #11
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Vote your mind. Vote for the party that you want to lead you during the next half decade.

But, for goshsakes...make sure you VOTE!
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Old May 24th, 2004, 02:40 AM   #12
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BTW...personally, I think that known crooks and thieves and liars make the very worst leaders (it's just a hunch)..

So I will be voting for the Conservatives.

It's high time for a change.
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Old May 24th, 2004, 01:48 PM   #13
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A few questions I hope are raised in the debates:

1. Where do you stand on Iraq? Would you have joined the "Coalition of the WIlling" and sent in Canadian troops?

2. Do you support equality for all Canadians regardless of sexuality, ethnicity and income?

3. How do you perceive Canada within the world? For example, are our aims secondary to those of the USA or should Canadian values be paramount?

4. Do you believe in the principle of universal access to healthcare regardless of ability to pay?

5. What role (if any) do you think religeous beliefs should play in Canadian politics?

6. Do you believe that we should cut taxes and shift support of social services to user fees?

7. What mechanisms will you provide to ensure that your government is fiscally accountable? What will the consequences be of any transgression?
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Old May 24th, 2004, 07:33 PM   #14
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I think the comment about Canada and the US not having a "real" democracy stems from the fact that the "first past the post" system allows for a party to win a majority even if it has less than 50% of the popular vote (which is pretty hypocritical if you think about it).

Most democracies around the world use some form of proportional government. The specifics vary, but generally it ensures that the proportion of seats that a party gets matches its share of the popular vote (often by giving a party additional seats by region). This prevents cases such as the Ontario NDP results last fall, where their percent of the popular vote went up but the number of seats they had went down.

If you want more info on this voting style, check this link.
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Old May 24th, 2004, 08:30 PM   #15
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3 elections ago the government asked the people what they thought and Canadians overwhelmingly voted to kill the Tory party... But nooooooo.... Not only could the right not accept that and just go away... They had to reform and create alliances, stabbing unsucessfull leaders in the back {Manning, Day}, censuring there own Members {Debora Grey & Friends}, fibbing during National Conventions... Then trying to steal back the Conservative Name to the point that the only former Priminister {not to mention the only Man to Defeat Pierre Elliot Trudeau in an election} denounced the new party, sat as an independant and is now actively campaigning for liberal and true tory candidates...

Oh Yah... It is time for THAT kind of Change.

Actually I hope Martin wins a slim majority and is forced to get Jack Laytons assistance. That way the NDP can have influence without messing everything up like Bob Rae, and Mr. artin little boy will actually have to work for and earn the position that he has gained by sneaking in the back door.

Harper can then go back to calling his group the refooooorm party and work on his honesty.
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Old May 24th, 2004, 09:36 PM   #16
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utbjw - that's a good list. I would like to add a query about privatization of Crown Corporations.
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Old May 25th, 2004, 04:05 AM   #17
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Wow, really ARE on a tangent compared to the rest of the world. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Firstly....the Canadian voters dumped the Mulroney PC's because there had been so much bad press about the profound changes that they'd made.

Specifically, the GST (which everybody hated) and the Free Trade Agreement (which the left hated). Jean Chretien was swept to power on the solemn promise to "Tear up the Free Trade Agreement" and "Cancel the GST".

He did neither. In fact, he strengthened and added to both programs. By the time the next election rolled around, the right was seriously divided and the Liberals won because there was no other real choice.

The Canadian voters NEVER voted to get rid of the right. They voted to dump a political party that they were seriously mad at.

Same situation today...except it's the Liberals that will feel the winds of change blowing them out of power and into oblivion.

While smilin Jack Layton floats by like a big happy face balloon...a whole bunch of emptiness surrounded by a pleasing elastic shell. [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/lmao.gif[/img]

Most Canadians, like most people EVERYWHERE on the planet, have tried out socialism and found it to be unworkable and terribly expensive. Huge debts are always left in the wake whenever any region dumps their version of the NDP. This is historical fact.

If, for some strange reason the planets align and the NDP does manage to hold the balance of power in a minority Liberal Government, then a new election won't be very far off. The whole rotten mess will collapse like a house of cards in less than a year...hopefully before they've managed to do some really serious damage to the economy.

This should be an interesting election. The first truly interesting one in many many years. The end results might surprise a lot of people.
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Old May 25th, 2004, 08:52 AM   #18
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I think that it will be a Liberal minority govt, barring any terrible blunders.

Look for the Liberals to lose seats in the west and Quebec. Watch the NDP make "huge" gains (well, for the NDP it will be considered huge), the Bloq Quebecois to become the Official Opposition, and for the Conservative party to tear itself apart when they don't do as well as Harper promised.
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Old May 25th, 2004, 10:44 AM   #19
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Another MacNutt reality check in order.




and I heard Harper calls Mulroney every day and uses Stockwell Day as his defence critic ...... [img]graemlins/nuts.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]

So Harper is aligning himself with Mulroney and Bush eh.......THAT should win hearts and minds in Canada.

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Old May 25th, 2004, 11:08 AM   #20
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I thought the only reason why Westerners voted for the Reform/Alliance was because it was a Western party that understood a bit about 'Western Alienation' rather than as a vote for a conservative party. Also, it acted as a vote against the Liberals, which had a strong foothold in Ontario.

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