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Old Sep 12th, 2003, 06:25 PM   #1
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This thread started over in Anything Mac as
"G4 Cube with OS9 to G5 with Panther"
and relates my own successful evaluation of a G5 and transition fro OS9 to OSX.
It's in a Blog like format to relate various Test Drivers experiences.


I'm certainly ready to declare this project a success from my own desktop.

Apple had suggested a G5 Test Drive program earlier in August but then killed it for unknown reasons. Based on my experience we can see the motivation behind the idea. Many clients and ourselves are leery of first Gen boxes and many of my clients have stayed off OSX for speed and "transition" issues.
Well we think the box is impressive and quiet enough that it needs to be taken seriously as the "next big thing" for Mac users.
What was promised is coming to fruition with maturing OS and the speed to handle all the eye candy and features without lagging.

So we will be preparing a G5 1.8 with RAM and drive space enough to handle anything from video to graphics to gaming and 3D.

If you have a serious interest and are in the GTA you can put a well rigged G5 on your desk for a day and a night.


Cost? To cover staff time and "wear and tear" we've put a double nickel price on this speed limit buster. $55
That includes delivery and pickup!!!
Fully refundable if you end up getting a G5 from us anytime within a month.
We're setting up the machine today with RAM and drives. We are working on final details.
We currently only have one machine available so booking early would be a good idea.
What will you need? Your own keyboard mouse and monitor.
If you have questions please use email for them. Thanks.
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Well I'm impressed enough with the G5 as a personal box to take a shot at moving off my beloved Cube
The surprising part is that the G5 is quiet enough for me to tolerate in an extremely quiet environment

Target mode is taking the data over to the G5 - a few things will need to run in Classic for the moment but the exercise is to see how well the transition goes.

I'm copying through Firewire while posting this and the protected memory shows with only a tiny lag on the G5.
The OS feels fast enough even at 1600x1200. That was a big issue altho fast G4s were no slouch.
I think Panther is perhaps a significant part of this as is is wickedly quicker than Jaguar.

The MS mouse and software moved over perfectly.

I've got some concerns over Safari as there is no IE installed with Panther. I like Safari but I've got to explore a few of the image capture issues. Minor stuff.

Faxing I'm concerned about. Experiences welcome.
Critical apps are
Filemaker - not expecting any issues there
Faxing - ????
Graphic converter - again no problems anticipated - I prefer it over iPhoto.
Phone Pad - this is going to be an issue - anyone got a freeform searchable resizeable fully indexed notepad for X - with importing [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Mail - the worst of all - I'm not sure about sticking with MS on this through office. Suggestions welcome.
I'm a very high volume user so clear searchabe that is easy and intutive is important and no detached windows that float. Entourage may be the only one for me at the moment as I need in and out mail in the same window.
Open to suggestions.
So far so good the copy is done. On with the experiment.
G5s are reeeeaaaaaally nice boxes. [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ October 02, 2003, 01:54 PM: Message edited by: macdoc ]



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Faxing is built into Panther. As for anything else, not too much I can comment on it seems you have it quite well thought out. Have fun! Which G5 are we talking about though?
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Our Rainbow G5 1.6 with twin Raptors
Love the lights and the speed of the twin 10k drives is astounding.
If faxing is built into the printer centre I'll pass. Page sneder I understand is pretty good.



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Man, the G5 must be quiet if a Cube user is moving to a G5!
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I'm very interested to know how your "migration" goes as this is the part I dread about going over to X fulltime (eventually). So please keep us up to date with your observations.

For mail I can recommend Mailsmith from BareBones
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There is a new version for X - and it has incredible search capabilities and text manipulation (probably the best anywhere).
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macdoc - The Built In Faxing is in the Print/Fax dialog that comes up. Apple's Page on Faxing

Best of luck, and have fun!
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The G5 is not entirely silent as the Cube is but the sound is not intrusive, it's a low thrum that you really have to listen hard for,
The G5 is also fast enough even in emulation that there it's pretty seamless for casual stuff.

I find the navigation in Panther far better than Jaguar - the window handling is much more intuitive for a 9 migrator - I forever am cursing disappearing windows in Jag but it seems a non-issue in Panther - I wish I could tell you the differences but it's a big factor for me.
That is also offset by the degree of programming allowed by both the MS Explorer and Office Keyboard. By setting up access buttons the OS navigation is far less an issue for day to day stuff.
I still don't like not being able to park stuff from other volumes on the desktop but it does enforce alias use. I'll see how that pans out over time as I clutter the desk with pictures for various uses.
The finder speed even at 1700x1300 is terrific.
I do like the variable icon sizing - that's a real space saver.

Setting up two folders side by side to copy back and forth I find awkward still tho - having to have a second finder window

So far so good I still have to tackle the mail issue
tho I did it before for a project and it worked out in Entourage tho' I'm glad I did not have to take it back out.
more later

Oh in case you've missed my other assessment - G5s are simply the very best intro Macs ever. World class in everyway.

errata - tho it's quiet its HOT...whew it definitely ups the local temperature.
The sound is a bit more noticeable this time of night when all the ambient noise is very low BUT it's pitch is is not annoying.

12.20 PM - well it was going along quite smoothly until Microslop decided it needed 3 updates and hung on the mail import in Entourage [img]tongue.gif[/img]
I DO have mail.
Once I get by a issue where it's decided to retrieve some 1300 messages from the server it should be okay.

Yup - it pulled 1300 messages off a second time [img]tongue.gif[/img] But that's a MS squirrelly all is well - glad it's a fast machine - wasn't too painful.

Really enjoying Marine Aquarium - open GL rocks.....smooooooooth.


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I'm certainly ready to declare this project a success.

Apple had suggested a G5 Test Drive program earlier in August but then killed it for unknown reasons. Based on my experience we can see the motivation behind the idea. Many clients and ourselves are leery of first Gen boxes and many of my clients have stayed off OSX for speed and "transition" issues.
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What was promised is coming to fruition with maturing OS and the speed to handle all the eye candy and features without lagging.

So we will be preparing a G5 1.8 with RAM and drive space enough to handle anything from video to graphics to gaming and 3D.

If you have a serious interest and are in the GTA you can put a well rigged G5 on your desk for a day and a night.


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Test drive promo from Apple has just been postponed due to scarce availability of G5's. Will be showing up in October. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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