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FeXL Mar 11th, 2020 11:20 PM

The Chinese Coronavirus Thread
Wuhan Flu


More: Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson test positive in Australia.

Player tests positive, NBA suspends season indefinitely.

I think we can dispense with the Probably Nothing meme at this point.

If you didn’t watch the Rogan interview with Michael Osterholm I posted yesterday, you need to do so now. The first 20 minutes and last five are Coronavirus specific.

Hand washing and sanitizer is not effective as the virus is inhaled. Distancing from others is more important.
Lay away a couple of months of food staples if at all possible.
Expect drug shortages for your prescriptions. Check your supplies now.
A vaccine is two years away. Unless Trump orders it tested on prison inmates, per Rogan’s suggestion.
Most of us are going to get this, a significant number will be very sick, and some won’t make it.
You can now not travel from Paris to New York, but you can still get to Toronto from Beijing.

— Keean Bexte (@TheRealKeean) March 12, 2020

Trump's Coronavirus Address


Just started.

He'll be banning all travel from Europe for 30 days, and I think he said he'd be blocking imports of goods from Europe, except from the UK.

The left pretends it's Totally Serious about stopping the outbreak, but then shriek about practical steps to reduce the spread of the Chinese flu, like travel restrictions.

Retweeted by the Washington Post's alleged "Fact Checker:" Whining that saving lives may entail reduced profits for merchants.
Wuhan Virus Exposes The Danger of Reliance Upon China


China is not just a strategic competitor, it is a hostile foreign power. And by controlling the manufacture of critical healthcare supplies—not just iPhones and toasters—they hold significant power over this country and the rest of the world. And they know how to use it—especially in a time of crisis.
7 March 2020 Covid-19 California Quarantine & Exponential Math


Well, California quarantined a neighborhood where a Covid-19 case died. (h/t Gail). The video below also mentions it. This isn’t quite the same as other quarantines in that we don’t know if it was just temporary while they collected the guy and disinfected the area, or is it longer due to that whole neighborhood now being suspect and maybe tested?

This is exactly WHY you ALL ought to be prepared to be locked in your house. Perhaps for a day, or perhaps for 2 weeks, or perhaps for 2 months if things are spreading and sequential cases found.
It’s Probably Nothing


And then there is this little-known fact: Some Chinese researchers are in the habit of selling their laboratory animals to street vendors after they have finished experimenting on them.

You heard me right.

It’s Probably Nothing


Just like they do for the flu: Chinese medical staff request international medical assistance
The conditions and environment here in Wuhan are more difficult and extreme than we could ever have imagined. There is a severe shortage of protective equipment, such as N95 respirators, face shields, goggles, gowns, and gloves. The goggles are made of plastic that must be repeatedly cleaned and sterilised in the ward, making them difficult to see through. Due to the need for frequent hand washing, several of our colleagues’ hands are covered in painful rashes. As a result of wearing an N95 respirator for extended periods of time and layers of protective equipment, some nurses now have pressure ulcers on their ears and forehead. When wearing a mask to speak with patients, our voices are muted, so we have to speak very loudly. Wearing four layers of gloves is abnormally clumsy and does not work—we can’t even open the packaging bags for medical devices, so giving patients injections is a huge challenge. In order to save energy and the time it takes to put on and take off protective clothing, we avoid eating and drinking for 2 hours before entering the isolation ward. Often, nurses’ mouths are covered in blisters. Some nurses have fainted due to hypoglycaemia and hypoxia.
It’s not alarmist to keep a solid supply of non-perishables on hand.
It’s Probably Nothing


The word is “admitted”. Chinese controlled WHO says…coronavirus death rate is 3.4% globally, higher than previously thought.
It’s Probably Nothing


America just held a nationwide IQ test. Did you notice it?
Everyone who has said about coronavirus that, “It’s just the flu,” failed the IQ test. As did those who claim discussing coronavirus is “spreading panic.”

They are engaging in what Scott Adams calls Loserthink.[…]

You will almost certainly not die from the coronavirus.

If the coronavirus contagion and death rates are accurate, between one and three million Americans could die.

When you have a low risk of a pandemic with a death count exceeding the total number of Americans who died in World War II, you take precautions.

Reasonable minds can differ as to what those precautions are.

But if you’re not thinking about coronavirus in terms of fat tail risk, you’re not even allowed to be part of the conversation.
Related: Italy moves to Wuhan inspired quarantine status.
It’s Probably Nothing


This is the most frightening disease I’ve ever encountered’ – virus expert Dr Richard Hatchett.
"This is the most frightening disease I've ever encountered in my career."

Richard Hatchett, the doctor leading efforts to find a vaccine for coronavirus, says it is much more lethal than normal flu.

— Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) March 6, 2020
For those who were following Harry Chen, PhD before the account was yanked and the Wayback machine cleansed of his leaked Wuhan videos, it appears he’s back as a “parody” account.

Update: Italy vs Hong Kong.
Dow Finishes Day at +1067 (Where's Kurt?);
Trump Pitches 0% Withholding Tax for Rest of Year, to Ease Economy Through Virus Shock


Wow, a thousand point surge.

I'm going to guess the media will name this The Joe Biden Rally 2.0.

Why did it jump so much?

Well, probably partly due to people figuring out that the media is deliberately trying to cause a panic based on a virus that, while dangerous for some, is probably going to turn out to be the Y2K of pandemics.

But also partly due to Trump's proposal of a payroll cut...
All bold mine.

Be safe, people.

SINC Mar 12th, 2020 09:35 AM

Infection slowing down and hospitals closing as China virus improving.

China shuts all 16 temporary coronavirus hospitals in Wuhan


In a dramatic sign that the coronavirus crisis is improving in China, the last two of 16 temporary hospitals in the epicenter city of Wuhan have been shut down, according to a report.

The final group of 49 patients walked out of the Wuchang temporary hospital in the capital of Hubei province on Tuesday afternoon to cheers, according to the Xinhua news agency.

The 784-bed facility — which was converted from Wuchang Hongshan Stadium — opened Feb. 5 and received a total of 1,124 patients, according to the news outlet, which said 833 were discharged and 291 were transferred to other hospitals.

Meanwhile, a makeshift hospital in Wuhan’s Jiangxia District also was shuttered Thursday after 26 days of operation, Xinhua reported. It had received a total of 564 patients, 392 of whom were discharged after recovering.

Macfury Mar 12th, 2020 10:38 AM

.... "according to the Xinhua news agency."

SINC Mar 12th, 2020 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by Macfury (Post 2714850)
.... "according to the Xinhua news agency."

Yeah, it's about as reliable as the CBC.

Macfury Mar 12th, 2020 01:55 PM

Note by comparison:


The 2009 flu pandemic in the United States was a novel strain of the Influenza A/H1N1 virus, commonly referred to as "swine flu", that began in the spring of 2009. The virus had spread to the US from an outbreak in Mexico. As of mid-March 2010, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died.
The media remained silent, because Obama was president.

FeXL Mar 12th, 2020 03:39 PM

Go figger...

Trudeau Self Isolating As Sophie Awaits COVID Results


I sincerely wish them well. Trudeau self-isolating as wife Sophie awaits result of COVID-19 test

Related morning updates will follow.

Juno Awards cancelled in Saskatoon.

MSM gonna MSM: They Are Rewriting the History of Coronavirus in Real Time

Viking and Princess cruises dock for two months.

@profamymcgovern — Coronavirus burial pits in Iran so vast that they’re visible from space (WaPo paywalled). Photo here.
Two days after Iran declared its first cases of the novel coronavirus — in what would become one of the largest outbreaks of the illness outside of China — evidence of unusual activity appeared at a cemetery near where the infections emerged.

At the Behesht-e Masoumeh complex in Qom, about 80 miles south of Tehran, the excavation of a new section of the graveyard began as early as Feb. 21, satellite images show, and then rapidly expanded as the virus spread. By the end of the month, two large trenches — their lengths totaling 100 yards — were visible at the site from space.

According to expert analysis, video testimony and official statements, the graves were dug to accommodate the rising number of virus victims in Qom
Glenn Reynolds has been posting daily updates, I’ll just include it in my updates instead of duplicating efforts.
Bold mine.

Go figger.

As the first comment notes, the prick is probably down visiting the Aga Khan while the balance of us are left to deal with planeloads of untested passengers direct from major outbreak countries...

Beej Mar 12th, 2020 06:23 PM

Recent coronavirus reports from Alberta and Ontario show the most common source is from people travelling in the U.S.

This is a very small dataset, and based on finding a cause using people's recollection of the last two weeks, but I don't think it's a coincidence. The U.S. had very little testing until recently, and their outbreak is probably far larger than the current count (ie. x5 or x10). Add that to the volume of Canada-U.S. traffic, and you would get this result.

I'm not sure we can do much given the scale of our traffic with them, but if you're trying to delay getting the virus for as long as possible, take U.S. connections into consideration.

SINC Mar 12th, 2020 07:16 PM

TV live reports on tonight's news shows people ready to board flights to Las Vegas turning back and leaving the airport once they were informed of the Alberta medical health officer asking Albertans not to travel outside of Canada.

FeXL Mar 12th, 2020 07:31 PM

Alberta Volleyball just postponed 3 premieres, per the new Alberta provincial guidelines.


Alberta is asking organizers to cancel any events that have more than 250 attendees. This includes large sporting events, conferences and community events. It does not extend to places of worship, grocery stores, airports or shopping centres.

Any event that has more than 50 attendees and expects to have international participants, or involves critical infrastructure staff, seniors, or other high-risk populations should also be cancelled.


The other three newly confirmed cases involve a woman in her thirties, a male in his fifties, and a woman in her seventies. They are all from the Calgary zone.

The travellers returned from travelling in Jordan, Egypt, France, Germany, and the United States, specifically Florida.
4A Basketball Zones are currently on at U of L, the spectators were just asked to leave the building. Don't know if the teams will play it out or not.

Beej Mar 12th, 2020 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by SINC (Post 2714890)
TV live reports on tonight's news shows people ready to board flights to Las Vegas turning back and leaving the airport once they were informed of the Alberta medical health officer asking Albertans not to travel outside of Canada.

Good. Slow it down and hopefully we don't run out of ventilators. Maybe even get a vaccine in the off-season.

gwillikers Mar 12th, 2020 11:05 PM

WCraig Mar 13th, 2020 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by Macfury (Post 2714860)
Note by comparison:

The media remained silent, because Obama was president.

Must have been that the conservative media was too busy melting down over the tan suit.


eMacMan Mar 13th, 2020 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by Beej (Post 2714894)
Good. Slow it down and hopefully we don't run out of ventilators. Maybe even get a vaccine in the off-season.

Love that vaccine idea. Maybe they can even put one together along the lines of the H1N1 effort. As I recall that vaccine proved deadlier than the virus.

FeXL Mar 13th, 2020 10:01 AM

Classes cancelled @ U of L.

Macfury Mar 13th, 2020 10:02 AM

The conservative media wasn't reporting heavily in H1N1.

What do you mean by "tan suit"?


Originally Posted by WCraig (Post 2714918)
Must have been that the conservative media was too busy melting down over the tan suit.


FeXL Mar 13th, 2020 10:48 AM

I gueth "The Thigns!" didn't help...

Breaking… “Hazard remains low”


Sophie Trudeau, the wife of Canada’s Prime Minister tests positive for coronavirus. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau now in 14-day self-isolation.

— Piya Chattopadhyay (@piya) March 13, 2020

Comments salient (some hilarious!).

FeXL Mar 13th, 2020 10:50 AM

Air travel from Europe to US to shut down over coronavirus. But what about our southern border?


Trump is rightly shutting off travel to U.S. airports from Europe. Shouldn’t it be a no-brainer that all illegal immigration, even dressed up as asylum and “unaccompanied minors,” will be suspended at our land border as well?

FeXL Mar 13th, 2020 10:52 AM

Greening Our Way to Infection


The COVID-19 outbreak is giving new meaning to those “sustainable” shopping bags that politicians and environmentalists have been so eager to impose on the public. These reusable tote bags can sustain the COVID-19 and flu viruses—and spread the viruses throughout the store.

FeXL Mar 13th, 2020 11:19 AM

Coronavirus could infect 35 to 70 per cent of Canadians, experts say


The coronavirus could hit 35 to 70 per cent of the Canadian population, making “a huge number of people ill,” many critically, and makeshift hospitals and quarantine centres could be needed to shore up a health system that has virtually no give, experts predict.

According to a disease-transmission model developed by University of Toronto researchers, the virus’ overall attack rate in Canada, without public health interventions, could exceed 70 per cent. That number drops sharply, by about half, “if we add modest control,” said epidemiologist Dr. David Fisman, one of the model’s creators, but it will take “aggressive social distancing and large scale quarantines” to reduce it further, he said.
Bold mine.

FeXL Mar 13th, 2020 11:22 AM

Where's the hue & cry from the left?

Airlines Flying Empty “Ghost” Flights During Coronavirus Outbreak to Avoid Losing Flight Spots


This is bureaucracy at its finest (or worst).

With the coronavirus prompting many to stay in their own germy homes, airlines are wasting thousands of gallons of jet fuel flying empty flights in order to hold their flight slots.

Europe’s use it or lose it policy seems to be the culprit here. DOES ANY ONE CARE ABOUT THE CLIMATE?!?!

FeXL Mar 13th, 2020 11:23 AM

4 March 2020 Covid-19 Italy Closing Schools & India Keeping Drugs


India bans export of 28 generic drugs including antibiotics. India is one of THE big generic drug makers in the world. So active ingredients from China blocked, and finished drugs from India blocked. Hey, EU, how’s that Globalism interdependance and putting manufacturing is cheap countries looking to you now?

Dear CDC: Best get your ass in gear remaking the USA drug industry / capacity.
You have about a month…

Anyone with regular drugs used best buy a stock now. Aspirin, other NSAIDs, tetracycline, etc. are generics…

FeXL Mar 13th, 2020 06:23 PM

The State Department Summoned Chinese Ambassador: Stop Spreading Lies that Coronavirus Began in America; Chinese State Media Threatens to Unleash "A Mighty Sea" of Coronavirus in America

Couple things of note in the article. IMO, this is the most important:


Meanwhile, the US is finally taking a look at the perils of having so much of our pharmaceutical production in an enemy country that is prone to plagues, and is considering a push to bring the US' medicine and drug production back home.
The global spread of the coronavirus is reigniting efforts by the Trump administration to encourage more American manufacturing of pharmaceuticals and reduce dependence on China for the drugs and medical products that fuel the federal health care system.

The effort includes a push by the White House trade adviser Peter Navarro to tighten "Buy American" laws so federal agencies are required to purchase American-made pharmaceuticals and medical equipment, according to people with knowledge of the plans.

The administration has been preparing an executive order, which could be released in the coming days, that would close loopholes allowing the government to purchase pharmaceuticals, face masks, ventilators and other medical products from foreign countries. The hope is that increasing government demand for American-made drugs and medical products will provide an incentive for companies to make their products in the United States, rather than China.

To help facilitate such production, the White House is also pushing for streamlined regulatory approvals for American-made products and more detailed labeling of the origin of products made offshore, these people said.
I'd like to see the Free Trade At Any Price globalists respond to this: China is actually threatening to kill Americans by refusing to sell medicine to us.

So, sure: Let's leave critical US manufacture capability solely in the hands of evil communist hostage-takers!

Bold mine.

FeXL Mar 13th, 2020 06:24 PM

Wuhan Flu


I haven’t posted anything new, because I don’t think I need to.

Now listening to Trudeau announcement/presser, just as it interrupted the rising sound of cognitive dissonance in John Gormley’s voice as he prattles “but the flu”.

You had the information you needed weeks ago. Some of you took it. Now we watch as Canadians who relied on sources outside the “blogs and twitter” catch up.

We stocked up on three months of essentials three weeks ago.
Comments interesting/hilarious.

FeXL Mar 13th, 2020 06:26 PM

Convenient, no?

Hunter Biden: I Cannot Come to the Deposition About How Much Child Support I Owe Because of... Coronavirus


"It is unsafe for the Defendant to travel, as travel restrictions have been implemented both domestically and internationally, particularly on airlines, due to the Coronavirus," the filing states. "Setting aside personal endangerment, Defendant reasonably believes that such travel unnecessarily exposes his wife and unborn child to this virus. California, in particular, has been the site of numerous reported cases of exposure."

Links' bold.

Macfury Mar 13th, 2020 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by FeXL (Post 2714978)
Wuhan Flu


We stocked up on three months of essentials three weeks ago.

We generally have a couple of months worth of food that is constantly rotated. Why wait for a virus?

FeXL Mar 13th, 2020 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by Macfury (Post 2714994)
Why wait for a virus?

Every time Canuckistan elects a Lieberal PM, the entire country, save Kaybeck, ends up with a virus...

Beej Mar 14th, 2020 09:24 AM

Italians stuck in their homes must be getting very bored.

Porn site allows Italians to watch all of its content for free during the country's coronavirus lockdown

Pornhub is offering free access to its premium service to people who live in Italy until April 3
That's quite considerate.


Earlier in the month, it was reported that porn sites have been cashing in on the coronavirus outbreak, with the platforms posting films of people having sex in hazmat suits in an twisted new trend.

FeXL Mar 14th, 2020 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by Beej (Post 2715038)
Italians stuck in their homes must be getting very bored.

Expect a run of newborns planet-wide in about 10 months...

FeXL Mar 14th, 2020 12:06 PM

~v Becauth ith's 2015!!!
More like "Enhanced Bullshit"


Just another story you're not gonna hear on Canada's National Broadcaster...
Exactly right. Flew home today from USA. Nexus machine asks travellers to self-disclose if they have been to China, Iran or Italy in last 2 weeks. Punch in “no” and walk straight to exit. That’s what the Minister means by “enhanced screening” for #Covid_19?!

Bold mine...

FeXL Mar 14th, 2020 12:10 PM

Wuhan Flu


Rachel Maddow gets schooled.
this guy rules

— rat king (@MikeIsaac) March 13, 2020
Related links.

So much for the European “Union” Germany blocks exports of medical supplies to Rome. When Italy asked for urgent medical supplies under a special European crisis mechanism no EU country responded.

Philippines: Duterte’s lockdown of Manila is ‘a mockery’, as millions of commuters to be allowed in

In the UK: The govt strategy on #Coronavirus is more refined than those used in other countries and potentially very effective. But it is also riskier and based on a number of assumptions.

Why aren’t there more cases in Africa?

MSM gonna MSM: So weird how after being obsessed by the stock market for two days @CNN is suddenly bored by the 2,000 point gain during Trump’s press conference. Maybe @brianstelter can explain it.

Agents of Influence.

And Canada.
We don’t need travel bans, but we should avoid all non-essential travel.

We can’t stop the coronavirus at the border, but the Trudeau government is now talking about limiting flights and increasing screening at airports.

To say the government is sending out mixed messages is an understatement.

Now, after a major spike in cases, the federal government is moving to deal with issues at the border.
Well, that’s not entirely fair. They have been dealing with some certain “issues”.
They let me go after holding me for half an hour. They held me until the last bus of the night (that is transporting illegals) was too far to follow.
They asked more questions about why an "Albertan is 'ere?" than they did of the Congolese people that just crossed illegally.

— Keean Bexte (@TheRealKeean) March 13, 2020
From the comments;
Somewhat anecdotal but I was at the local Rona buying paint earlier this evening… I got to talking with the guy behind the counter and he told me that employees of Coastal Health were in the store earlier in the day buying up paper products, wipes, towels and TP… apparently the local Hospital is being over run by the foreign born ( mainly middle eastern ) coming to Canada for the “free health care”… they get off a plane from the middle east and head straight to a Hospital… I drove by the local Hospital and the Emergency area does look overly busy… like I said this story is somewhat anecdotal but I’ve never seen the Hospital that busy ever. Are people who are already sick in another country jumping on a plane and heading to Turdholeland where there are no travel restrictions and no screening in an attempt to take advantage of the Liberals open borders policy and the “free health care” ? Most likely.

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macintosh doctor Mar 14th, 2020 01:08 PM

to all those who have been making fun of Preppers - who's laughing now lol

Day 1 of 20.. forced social distancing..
I have everything i need.. :)
yes we have toilet paper, lysol wipes and food for over a month..

eMacMan Mar 14th, 2020 02:04 PM
Good grief this event is held in the great outdoors. Any runner that is not feeling well will likely forget the race altogether. Others are not at any real risk as it is outdoors. Space runners a bit at the start and all will be well.

Want to cancel because you are expecting a foot of snow? Great, but over fear of a virus?? Seriously this is cold and flu season if you are going to be terrified of virii then schedule this at some other time of the year regardless of whether the Lamestream is saying; "The sky is falling!"


In an effort to help stop the spread of COVID-19, The Runners Soul Moonlight Run has been cancelled.

The 2020 race was scheduled to take place March 21.

“In light of (Thursday’s) announcement by the Alberta government we have made the difficult decision to cancel the 2020 Moonlight Run scheduled for March 21,” said race organizer Shawn Pinder in a release Thursday.

Beej Mar 14th, 2020 02:11 PM

For people interested in data, the following site frequently updates. The updates are ahead of national updates in the U.S. and Canada because they appear to be using state and province data, but it's worth double-checking with a one day lag.

Note that the U.S. has reported 7.5 cases per million people compared to 6 in Canada despite us having a much higher test rate. For example, according to the CDC the U.S. has run about 13,000 tests, or closer to 20,000 with the data lag, while Ontario has run 7,000 tests. CDC data may not include private labs, which will become an increasing share going forward.

U.S. tests per million, using my 20,000 guesstimate: 61
Ontario tests per million: 479

FeXL Mar 14th, 2020 06:30 PM

They Should Build A Big, Beautiful Wall


Mexico frets about U.S. coronavirus spread, could restrict border


FeXL Mar 14th, 2020 10:12 PM

To the dismay of Progs & NeverTrumpers (BIRM) everywhere...



And, from the comments:


James Woods

But to be safe, let’s close the border to any nation, even our dear friends in Canada, if they are not willing to restrict flights from China until the #Wuhan virus is conquered.
100% agreed.

SINC Mar 15th, 2020 12:33 PM

A video worth watching from an expert at the World Health Organization, very short but very important.

SINC Mar 15th, 2020 02:02 PM

Knowledge is power.

SINC Mar 15th, 2020 02:06 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Pardon the strong language, but in this case, it is appropriate for hoarders.

FeXL Mar 15th, 2020 02:31 PM

Never Let A Crisis Go To Waste


Naughty, naughty Nancy Pelosi tried to slip a pro-abortion amendment into the Corona virus bill:
Pelosi attempted to secure a funding stream of up to $1 billion for reimbursing laboratory claims. According to White House officials who spoke with the Daily Caller, that provision would establish a precedent under which health claims for all procedures, including abortion, could be reimbursed with federal funds. That precedent would render the Hyde Amendment, which blocks taxpayer funding for abortion clinics, obsolete.

Pelosi resisted efforts by Democrats to end the Hyde Amendment in recent months, with progressives being forced to abandon an attempt to “ensure” abortion coverage for people using federal health programs as part of a $190 billion budget bill passed in July.
Of course, the lyin’ Left has been trying to spin this 180 degrees!
Bold mine.

Good ol' Ma Jones. The Bigot will be here shortly to defend them...

FeXL Mar 15th, 2020 02:33 PM

About those extra measures...

Your Government Is Here For You


I came back yesterday from Dubai airport to Pearson there were zero measures. This tweet is a lie.

— shahjahaan (@shahjahaan1) March 15, 2020
Adam Radwinski is “baffled”.

@PhdParody: Rumours from the water cooler … things are bad when I hear about sick politicians in Canada from Chinese officials before it’s released in Canada…talk about a leaky ship.
<cough>But...the Thigns!!!<cough>

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