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FeXL Mar 11th, 2020 11:20 PM

The Chinese Coronavirus Thread
Wuhan Flu


More: Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson test positive in Australia.

Player tests positive, NBA suspends season indefinitely.

I think we can dispense with the Probably Nothing meme at this point.

If you didn’t watch the Rogan interview with Michael Osterholm I posted yesterday, you need to do so now. The first 20 minutes and last five are Coronavirus specific.

Hand washing and sanitizer is not effective as the virus is inhaled. Distancing from others is more important.
Lay away a couple of months of food staples if at all possible.
Expect drug shortages for your prescriptions. Check your supplies now.
A vaccine is two years away. Unless Trump orders it tested on prison inmates, per Rogan’s suggestion.
Most of us are going to get this, a significant number will be very sick, and some won’t make it.
You can now not travel from Paris to New York, but you can still get to Toronto from Beijing.

— Keean Bexte (@TheRealKeean) March 12, 2020

Trump's Coronavirus Address


Just started.

He'll be banning all travel from Europe for 30 days, and I think he said he'd be blocking imports of goods from Europe, except from the UK.

The left pretends it's Totally Serious about stopping the outbreak, but then shriek about practical steps to reduce the spread of the Chinese flu, like travel restrictions.

Retweeted by the Washington Post's alleged "Fact Checker:" Whining that saving lives may entail reduced profits for merchants.
Wuhan Virus Exposes The Danger of Reliance Upon China


China is not just a strategic competitor, it is a hostile foreign power. And by controlling the manufacture of critical healthcare supplies—not just iPhones and toasters—they hold significant power over this country and the rest of the world. And they know how to use it—especially in a time of crisis.
7 March 2020 Covid-19 California Quarantine & Exponential Math


Well, California quarantined a neighborhood where a Covid-19 case died. (h/t Gail). The video below also mentions it. This isn’t quite the same as other quarantines in that we don’t know if it was just temporary while they collected the guy and disinfected the area, or is it longer due to that whole neighborhood now being suspect and maybe tested?

This is exactly WHY you ALL ought to be prepared to be locked in your house. Perhaps for a day, or perhaps for 2 weeks, or perhaps for 2 months if things are spreading and sequential cases found.
It’s Probably Nothing


And then there is this little-known fact: Some Chinese researchers are in the habit of selling their laboratory animals to street vendors after they have finished experimenting on them.

You heard me right.

It’s Probably Nothing


Just like they do for the flu: Chinese medical staff request international medical assistance
The conditions and environment here in Wuhan are more difficult and extreme than we could ever have imagined. There is a severe shortage of protective equipment, such as N95 respirators, face shields, goggles, gowns, and gloves. The goggles are made of plastic that must be repeatedly cleaned and sterilised in the ward, making them difficult to see through. Due to the need for frequent hand washing, several of our colleagues’ hands are covered in painful rashes. As a result of wearing an N95 respirator for extended periods of time and layers of protective equipment, some nurses now have pressure ulcers on their ears and forehead. When wearing a mask to speak with patients, our voices are muted, so we have to speak very loudly. Wearing four layers of gloves is abnormally clumsy and does not work—we can’t even open the packaging bags for medical devices, so giving patients injections is a huge challenge. In order to save energy and the time it takes to put on and take off protective clothing, we avoid eating and drinking for 2 hours before entering the isolation ward. Often, nurses’ mouths are covered in blisters. Some nurses have fainted due to hypoglycaemia and hypoxia.
It’s not alarmist to keep a solid supply of non-perishables on hand.
It’s Probably Nothing


The word is “admitted”. Chinese controlled WHO says…coronavirus death rate is 3.4% globally, higher than previously thought.
It’s Probably Nothing


America just held a nationwide IQ test. Did you notice it?
Everyone who has said about coronavirus that, “It’s just the flu,” failed the IQ test. As did those who claim discussing coronavirus is “spreading panic.”

They are engaging in what Scott Adams calls Loserthink.[…]

You will almost certainly not die from the coronavirus.

If the coronavirus contagion and death rates are accurate, between one and three million Americans could die.

When you have a low risk of a pandemic with a death count exceeding the total number of Americans who died in World War II, you take precautions.

Reasonable minds can differ as to what those precautions are.

But if you’re not thinking about coronavirus in terms of fat tail risk, you’re not even allowed to be part of the conversation.
Related: Italy moves to Wuhan inspired quarantine status.
It’s Probably Nothing


This is the most frightening disease I’ve ever encountered’ – virus expert Dr Richard Hatchett.
"This is the most frightening disease I've ever encountered in my career."

Richard Hatchett, the doctor leading efforts to find a vaccine for coronavirus, says it is much more lethal than normal flu.

— Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) March 6, 2020
For those who were following Harry Chen, PhD before the account was yanked and the Wayback machine cleansed of his leaked Wuhan videos, it appears he’s back as a “parody” account.

Update: Italy vs Hong Kong.
Dow Finishes Day at +1067 (Where's Kurt?);
Trump Pitches 0% Withholding Tax for Rest of Year, to Ease Economy Through Virus Shock


Wow, a thousand point surge.

I'm going to guess the media will name this The Joe Biden Rally 2.0.

Why did it jump so much?

Well, probably partly due to people figuring out that the media is deliberately trying to cause a panic based on a virus that, while dangerous for some, is probably going to turn out to be the Y2K of pandemics.

But also partly due to Trump's proposal of a payroll cut...
All bold mine.

Be safe, people.

SINC Mar 12th, 2020 09:35 AM

Infection slowing down and hospitals closing as China virus improving.

China shuts all 16 temporary coronavirus hospitals in Wuhan


In a dramatic sign that the coronavirus crisis is improving in China, the last two of 16 temporary hospitals in the epicenter city of Wuhan have been shut down, according to a report.

The final group of 49 patients walked out of the Wuchang temporary hospital in the capital of Hubei province on Tuesday afternoon to cheers, according to the Xinhua news agency.

The 784-bed facility — which was converted from Wuchang Hongshan Stadium — opened Feb. 5 and received a total of 1,124 patients, according to the news outlet, which said 833 were discharged and 291 were transferred to other hospitals.

Meanwhile, a makeshift hospital in Wuhan’s Jiangxia District also was shuttered Thursday after 26 days of operation, Xinhua reported. It had received a total of 564 patients, 392 of whom were discharged after recovering.

Macfury Mar 12th, 2020 10:38 AM

.... "according to the Xinhua news agency."

SINC Mar 12th, 2020 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by Macfury (Post 2714850)
.... "according to the Xinhua news agency."

Yeah, it's about as reliable as the CBC.

Macfury Mar 12th, 2020 01:55 PM

Note by comparison:


The 2009 flu pandemic in the United States was a novel strain of the Influenza A/H1N1 virus, commonly referred to as "swine flu", that began in the spring of 2009. The virus had spread to the US from an outbreak in Mexico. As of mid-March 2010, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died.
The media remained silent, because Obama was president.

FeXL Mar 12th, 2020 03:39 PM

Go figger...

Trudeau Self Isolating As Sophie Awaits COVID Results


I sincerely wish them well. Trudeau self-isolating as wife Sophie awaits result of COVID-19 test

Related morning updates will follow.

Juno Awards cancelled in Saskatoon.

MSM gonna MSM: They Are Rewriting the History of Coronavirus in Real Time

Viking and Princess cruises dock for two months.

@profamymcgovern — Coronavirus burial pits in Iran so vast that they’re visible from space (WaPo paywalled). Photo here.
Two days after Iran declared its first cases of the novel coronavirus — in what would become one of the largest outbreaks of the illness outside of China — evidence of unusual activity appeared at a cemetery near where the infections emerged.

At the Behesht-e Masoumeh complex in Qom, about 80 miles south of Tehran, the excavation of a new section of the graveyard began as early as Feb. 21, satellite images show, and then rapidly expanded as the virus spread. By the end of the month, two large trenches — their lengths totaling 100 yards — were visible at the site from space.

According to expert analysis, video testimony and official statements, the graves were dug to accommodate the rising number of virus victims in Qom
Glenn Reynolds has been posting daily updates, I’ll just include it in my updates instead of duplicating efforts.
Bold mine.

Go figger.

As the first comment notes, the prick is probably down visiting the Aga Khan while the balance of us are left to deal with planeloads of untested passengers direct from major outbreak countries...

Beej Mar 12th, 2020 06:23 PM

Recent coronavirus reports from Alberta and Ontario show the most common source is from people travelling in the U.S.

This is a very small dataset, and based on finding a cause using people's recollection of the last two weeks, but I don't think it's a coincidence. The U.S. had very little testing until recently, and their outbreak is probably far larger than the current count (ie. x5 or x10). Add that to the volume of Canada-U.S. traffic, and you would get this result.

I'm not sure we can do much given the scale of our traffic with them, but if you're trying to delay getting the virus for as long as possible, take U.S. connections into consideration.

SINC Mar 12th, 2020 07:16 PM

TV live reports on tonight's news shows people ready to board flights to Las Vegas turning back and leaving the airport once they were informed of the Alberta medical health officer asking Albertans not to travel outside of Canada.

FeXL Mar 12th, 2020 07:31 PM

Alberta Volleyball just postponed 3 premieres, per the new Alberta provincial guidelines.


Alberta is asking organizers to cancel any events that have more than 250 attendees. This includes large sporting events, conferences and community events. It does not extend to places of worship, grocery stores, airports or shopping centres.

Any event that has more than 50 attendees and expects to have international participants, or involves critical infrastructure staff, seniors, or other high-risk populations should also be cancelled.


The other three newly confirmed cases involve a woman in her thirties, a male in his fifties, and a woman in her seventies. They are all from the Calgary zone.

The travellers returned from travelling in Jordan, Egypt, France, Germany, and the United States, specifically Florida.
4A Basketball Zones are currently on at U of L, the spectators were just asked to leave the building. Don't know if the teams will play it out or not.

Beej Mar 12th, 2020 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by SINC (Post 2714890)
TV live reports on tonight's news shows people ready to board flights to Las Vegas turning back and leaving the airport once they were informed of the Alberta medical health officer asking Albertans not to travel outside of Canada.

Good. Slow it down and hopefully we don't run out of ventilators. Maybe even get a vaccine in the off-season.

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