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Old Jan 5th, 2021, 04:31 PM   #721
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When you hear how safe these experimental untested vaccines are, you might keep in mind this tidbit from the Daily Mail
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A Portuguese health worker has died two days after getting the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine.

Sonia Acevedo, 41, suffered a 'sudden death' at home on New Year's Day 48 hours after receiving the jab. An autopsy is expected to take place later today or tomorrow.

The mother-of-two, who worked in paediatrics at the Portuguese Institute of Oncology in Porto, is not said to have suffered any adverse side-effects after being vaccinated.
Sounds like not even death is considered an adverse side effect.
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Old Jan 6th, 2021, 08:00 AM   #722
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When you hear how safe these experimental untested vaccines are, you might keep in mind this tidbit from the Daily Mail

Sounds like not even death is considered an adverse side effect.
If it turns out that she had a pre-existing condition prior to receiving the vaccine, are you still going to blame the vaccine? After all, COVID deaths aren't COVID deaths if they have pre-existing conditions, right?

It's also interesting how you want to open everything up because so few people have died from COVID, but ONE alleged death from a vaccine is totally worthy of attention.
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Old Jan 6th, 2021, 12:03 PM   #723
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If it turns out that she had a pre-existing condition prior to receiving the vaccine, are you still going to blame the vaccine? After all, COVID deaths aren't COVID deaths if they have pre-existing conditions, right?

It's also interesting how you want to open everything up because so few people have died from COVID, but ONE alleged death from a vaccine is totally worthy of attention.
Yep if you believe that testing positive for Covid makes a death a covid death, then surely a covid vaccine triggering a pre-existing condition must be a vaccine death. Kill Gate$ has said he expects a 20 times return on his huge investment in this scam. $oRo$ is similarly vested and positioned. With that sort of money on the line, I would have said the odds of her being found to have a pre-existing condition were 100%. Witness the carefully pre-screened trial participants who suddenly had undiagnosed Multiple Sclerosis, after developing a serious neurological disorder during the trials. Yep there were two of them.
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Old Jan 9th, 2021, 09:43 AM   #724
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"It's just a flu"

"The number of deaths are inflated (for reason x, y, z, or some other nonsensical reason)"

"It's only killing people in old folks' homes"

"The same # of people have died who would normally have died"

....or, you know, it's not the flu, and the repercussions of having covid-19 go far beyond what many people understand:

76 per cent of hospitalized COVID-19 patients experience symptoms six months later: study
A new study from China shows that more than three quarters of COVID-19 patients who were sent to hospital experienced at least one symptom of the virus six months after first falling ill.

The cohort study, published on Friday in The Lancet, looked at 1,733 COVID-19 patients who were discharged from the Jin Yin-tan Hospital in Wuhan, China between January and May 2020 and found that 76 per cent of them continued to experience at least one of the symptoms six months later.

Among those who continued to experience symptoms, 63 per cent of patients had experienced persistent fatigue or muscle weakness, while 26 per cent had experienced difficulty sleeping and 23 per cent reported depression or anxiety.

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When it came to kidney function, 107 of the 822 patients who had normal kidneys while in the hospital had reduced kidney function six months later.

Another 94 patients were tested for neutralizing antibodies, and researchers found that 53 per cent of them had reduced antibody levels six months after their visit to the hospital.

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“Even though the study offers a comprehensive clinical picture of the aftermath of COVID-19 in hospitalized patients, only 4 per cent were admitted to an intensive care unit (ICU), rendering the information about the long-term consequences in this particular cohort inconclusive,” the authors wrote in the news release.

“Nonetheless, previous research on patient outcomes after ICU stays suggests that several COVID-19 patients who were critically ill while hospitalized will subsequently face impairments regarding their cognitive and mental health and/or physical function far beyond their hospital discharge.”

(CTV)
For those who find anecdotal evidence interesting, this Reddit thread is full of people who are reporting long-term health effects ranging from diminished lung capacity, kidney damage, heart damage, etc. months after contracting and recovering from covid-19... and damage is also noted in people who had mild symptoms.
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Old Jan 9th, 2021, 10:59 AM   #725
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To help put that previous post into perspective. As I've said before, normal recovery time for every pneumonia victim I have ever met is at least a year.

Also remember going by CDC numbers roughly 6% of Covid deaths were due only to Covid, it seems likely that a similar percentage would apply to hospitalizations. Make that number as high as 10%, and we have fewer than 800 Canadians under 60 who have been hospitalized just for Covid. And that's over what would normally be considered most of two seasons, but for fearmongering purposes has been consolidated into one.

Also note that about 70% of those hospitalized are over 60. This from today's Canadian epidemiological summary, the numbers in normal age groups is way too small to deserve this level of fearmonger style of propaganda. Again that's over what would normally be considered most of two seasons, but for fearmongering purposes has been consolidated into one.

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On a personal note, I have had after effects from a flu vaccine linger for several months and those effects included surprise, surprise; extreme fatigue, muscle aches, headaches, and sinus congestion that I just could not shake even though it was the middle of winter. Believe me, were I put in that position again, I would have given up a very well paying job rather than take that 'mandatory' vaccine.
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Old Jan 9th, 2021, 12:51 PM   #726
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"It's just a flu"

"The number of deaths are inflated (for reason x, y, z, or some other nonsensical reason)"

"It's only killing people in old folks' homes"

"The same # of people have died who would normally have died"

....or, you know, it's not the flu, and the repercussions of having covid-19 go far beyond what many people understand:
[INDENT]A new study from China shows that more than three quarters of COVID-19 patients who were sent to hospital experienced at least one symptom of the virus six months after first falling ill.
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Ontario's new COVID-19 modelling to show ICUs full by early February: sources
Ontario's latest COVID-19 modelling will project the province's intensive care units to be filled beyond capacity by early February, and will also show how a new, more contagious variant of the coronavirus risks accelerating the spread of infections, sources tell CBC News.

Premier Doug Ford has warned he is ready to impose further restrictions based on the modelling, but no announcement is planned before Tuesday, according to government sources.

Although the projections by Ontario's scientific advisers were presented to cabinet on Friday, the information is not slated to be made public until Tuesday.

Multiple sources who have seen the modelling tell CBC News it includes:
  • Forecasts putting the province on track to report an average of 6,000 new cases of COVID-19 daily before the end of January.
  • Survey data indicating that a large proportion of Ontarians are not following basic public health guidelines to slow the spread of COVID-19.
  • Mobility data showing a spike in movement by Ontarians in the days just before Christmas when the government imposed what it described as a provincewide lockdown, beginning Boxing Day.

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Old Jan 14th, 2021, 01:32 PM   #728
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Ontario's new COVID-19 modelling to show ICUs full by early February: sources
Ontario's latest COVID-19 modelling will project the province's intensive care units to be filled beyond capacity by early February, and will also show how a new, more contagious variant of the coronavirus risks accelerating the spread of infections, sources tell CBC News.

Premier Doug Ford has warned he is ready to impose further restrictions based on the modelling, but no announcement is planned before Tuesday, according to government sources.

Although the projections by Ontario's scientific advisers were presented to cabinet on Friday, the information is not slated to be made public until Tuesday.

Multiple sources who have seen the modelling tell CBC News it includes:
  • Forecasts putting the province on track to report an average of 6,000 new cases of COVID-19 daily before the end of January.
  • Survey data indicating that a large proportion of Ontarians are not following basic public health guidelines to slow the spread of COVID-19.
  • Mobility data showing a spike in movement by Ontarians in the days just before Christmas when the government imposed what it described as a provincewide lockdown, beginning Boxing Day.
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No doubt the same modellers who justified the lockdowns and all that followed on their prediction of 250,000+ Canadian deaths.

FWIW Our current toll is at about 17,000 and most of the so-called second wave are normal deaths who happened to test positive or were even just labeled positive to inflate totals. No effort at all is being made to distinguish between cases where covid caused death, contributed to death or was merely in the same room.

The only two 'Covid' deaths where I have reasonably direct knowledge, the families are quite adamant Covid played absolutely no role in those deaths.

Incidentally on Oct 17, close to the start of the second wave 79.4% of total deaths were over 70. Currently the total is 79.2%. So no reason to suspect deaths are any more frequent amongst the young and healthy this time around.
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Old Jan 14th, 2021, 02:37 PM   #729
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No doubt the same modellers who justified the lockdowns and all that followed on their prediction of 250,000+ Canadian deaths.

FWIW Our current toll is at about 17,000 and most of the so-called second wave are normal deaths who happened to test positive or were even just labeled positive to inflate totals. No effort at all is being made to distinguish between cases where covid caused death, contributed to death or was merely in the same room.
Since you're up on all the modelling, what would the death toll be, had there not been any interventions at all?

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The only two 'Covid' deaths where I have reasonably direct knowledge, the families are quite adamant Covid played absolutely no role in those deaths.
I can say with absolute certainty it wasn't lupus either. I can play from home, can't I? I watched lots of Dr. House, and since any old person is qualified to determine cause of death, that's my vote.


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Incidentally on Oct 17, close to the start of the second wave 79.4% of total deaths were over 70. Currently the total is 79.2%. So no reason to suspect deaths are any more frequent amongst the young and healthy this time around.
I'm sure when people start dying while just waiting for an ICU bed, you'll be quick to point out those deaths weren't from covid. Small comfort to the people who died waiting for it, or their families though. If you'll recall is exactly what they were trying to avoid all along; overwhelming the ICUs.
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Old Jan 14th, 2021, 02:45 PM   #730
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I'm sure when people start dying while just waiting for an ICU bed, you'll be quick to point out those deaths weren't from covid. Small comfort to the people who died waiting for it, or their families though. If you'll recall is exactly what they were trying to avoid all along; overwhelming the ICUs.
I think it is dangerous to simply look at people as numbers and statistics. I do think COVID is made out to be worse then it actually is but I am not a denier and think it is bad, just not as world destroyingly bad as they make it out. I know a few people who have had it, thankfully they have all come out of it ok, just as the vast majority of people who catch it will. I am in the high risk category being a T1 diabetic so I do stay away from large gatherings/church, things like that but other then that I live my life pretty normally while wearing the mask the least amount I need to.
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