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Old Jun 9th, 2019, 07:52 PM   #11
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Ah.

I also find it interesting that Progs, a sect of society known to endorse abortions and suicide, is suddenly concerned about the sanctity of human life...
Hey, the Earth Momma didn't like what you just said!
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Old Jun 10th, 2019, 01:34 PM   #12
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Three articles critical of safe injection sites.

Vancouver's drug strategy has been a disaster. Be very wary of emulating it

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These unhappy results can be seen a province away. Vancouver is into its second decade of dealing with an injected-drug crisis. The city has been concentrating more and more services in its Downtown Eastside. The result? Everything seems to be getting worse.

Homelessness numbers continue to rise. There were 2,138 homeless individuals in Vancouver in 2017 — compared to only 1,364 in 2005. Theft and violent crime in the Downtown Eastside have gone up since 2002. And as an overdose crisis sweeps Canada, Vancouver is its undisputed epicentre. Even with teams of naloxone-armed paramedics addressing a nightly rush of overdosed drug users, more than 100 people have died of overdoses in 2017 — with most of these occurring within the narrow borders of the Downtown Eastside.
Safe Injection Sites: Are They Really Safe for Communities?

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Vancouver Police assigned many additional officers to that area – 90 initially, with somewhat less currently. What is the cost of that? How would such a resource need impact cities like Toronto and Ottawa amid growing concerns by taxpayers and elected officials over the rising cost of policing?
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1. Bad Science – 33 studies that support Safe Injection Sites (that are rolled out repeatedly by proponents) were done by one person. Thomas Kerr, who received $2.61 million to conduct the studies AND was the original lobbyist who helped get InSite in Vancouver B.C. started.

Although SIFs (Safe Injection Facilities) are but one part of a much larger systemic response to the problem of substance abuse and intravenous drug use, they are too often credited with generating positive effects that are not borne out by solid empirical evidence. As a policy issue, the potential impacts of SIFs are simply too important, and too divisive, to be left to conjecture and inferences that cannot be supported. – A Critical Evaluation of the Effects of Safe Injection Facilities Garth Davies, Simon Fraser University The Journal of Global Drug Policy and Practice

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6. Will safe injection locations stop addicts from using in public places? Absolutely not! Vancouver sees 15,000 injections per day. InSite, their drug injection site, monitors just 600 injections per day.
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Old Jun 10th, 2019, 10:54 PM   #13
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What an incredible display of callousness this thread is.
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Old Jun 10th, 2019, 10:55 PM   #14
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What an incredible display of callousness this thread is.
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Old Jun 10th, 2019, 11:03 PM   #15
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I wasn't rebutting any point, I was calling your opinion callous.
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Old Jun 11th, 2019, 12:04 AM   #16
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I wasn't rebutting any point, I was calling your opinion callous.
'K, I'll bite.

Why do you think MF's opinion on the topic is callous?
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Old Jun 11th, 2019, 01:10 AM   #17
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I wasn't rebutting any point, I was calling your opinion callous.
Callous indeed. And shallow, with pretensions of substance.
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Old Jun 11th, 2019, 01:11 AM   #18
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Honestly, if you don't already know how advocating for the removal of a system that helps people every day is callous I don't really know how to help you see it.

And since you're also advocating for said removal, well, you know. Callous.

I'm sure you're about to come back with some "a-ha, he didn't literally say that" type argument so you can save that one. I'm sure you're probably thinking of re-directing the argument back to crime in the neighbourhoods too, a diversion from what we're actually talking about.

Ultimately, you're probably going to call me out for not being respectful or some other BS as well, but that will be rich coming from someone who starts every interaction with another user on the site by calling them a bigot.

So yes, he's callous. You;re callous. And so is the OP.
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Old Jun 11th, 2019, 07:20 AM   #19
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Man, you're way off the mark. There are a lot of systems that "help people every day" by creating more problems than they solve or setting very bad precedents. Neighbourhood crime is one legitimate concern of these policies, not a diversion.

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Honestly, if you don't already know how advocating for the removal of a system that helps people every day is callous I don't really know how to help you see it.

And since you're also advocating for said removal, well, you know. Callous.

I'm sure you're about to come back with some "a-ha, he didn't literally say that" type argument so you can save that one. I'm sure you're probably thinking of re-directing the argument back to crime in the neighbourhoods too, a diversion from what we're actually talking about.

Ultimately, you're probably going to call me out for not being respectful or some other BS as well, but that will be rich coming from someone who starts every interaction with another user on the site by calling them a bigot.

So yes, he's callous. You;re callous. And so is the OP.
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Old Jun 11th, 2019, 11:23 AM   #20
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First of all, thank you for your response.

Second, if the solution is creating more problems than it's solving, then it ain't much of a solution, is it?

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Honestly, if you don't already know how advocating for the removal of a system that helps people every day is callous I don't really know how to help you see it.
I don't recall saying anything about removing safe injection sites (correct me if I'm wrong). I do, however, have some fair criticism for the system as it currently exists.

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And since you're also advocating for said removal, well, you know. Callous.
Nope.

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I'm sure you're about to come back with some "a-ha, he didn't literally say that" type argument so you can save that one.
When defending one's position, one cannot merely pluck what may only be the good from the small picture. One has to step back & see the big picture. That includes increased crime in the neighbourhood and an increase in the number of indigents, for a start.

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I'm sure you're probably thinking of re-directing the argument back to crime in the neighbourhoods too, a diversion from what we're actually talking about.
Nope.

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Ultimately, you're probably going to call me out for not being respectful or some other BS as well...
Because, among a plethora of other negative traits, he is a bigot.

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...but that will be rich coming from someone who starts every interaction with another user on the site by calling them a bigot.
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