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Old Feb 9th, 2019, 07:52 PM   #31
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Canadians in the west, more than those in the east, say Ottawa does not treat them fairly: poll

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Nearly three out of four Canadians living west of Ontario believe their province is not treated fairly by the federal government, according to a new poll from the not-for-profit Angus Reid Institute.

And Westerners who feel that way — that the rest of the country is not giving them any respect — say it’s been getting worse in recent years.
Going to the poll results, I see that Kaybeck has a 47%/53% agree/disagree response. I'm stunned to learn that 53% disagree with the question. WTF more do they want?

And, I find the observation that BC'ers identify more with Washington state than any other province. You can tell precisely where the polling was conducted: the lower mainland. I can assure you that people living in Fernie, Fort St. John & Williams Lake sure as hell don't...

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A Western Canada party once worked to win a place in Ottawa. Today, voters might back another: poll

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Western Canadians are still dissatisfied with the federal government — perhaps more than the 1980s, according to a series of polls from the Vancouver-based Angus Reid Institute that looks at the West’s place in Confederation. Angus Reid last week reported that nearly three out of four Canadians who live west of Ontario don’t feel the feds treat their province fairly, and that the feeling has grown worse in recent years.

Now, another Angus Reid Institute poll has found that, were another prospective “Western Canada Party” to start up in the coming federal election, it would have a stronger chance at drawing votes in every western province save for Manitoba — although the margin wasn’t very wide in one place.
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50% of Albertans see separation as a real possibility, Western Canada Party dominates poll

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Western Canadian sentiments in regards to national unity appear to have hit a new low since the election of Justin Trudeau.

According to a new poll by Angus Reid, the animosity has gotten to a point where a majority of Albertans support separation as a real possibility. Enough Western Canadians would also support a Western Canada Party, if ever formed and the poll indicated that such a party could gain a notable number of seats.

The institute found that when they averaged support for the idea across all western provinces (BC, AB, SK, MB), the Western Canada Party actually came out ahead, with 35%, followed only by the Conservatives who brought in 29%.
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If allowed to fester, Ottawa could face separatism from not just one province, but up to four provinces which are mobilized largely against his leadership.

That number could even spike to potentially five if Quebec nationalists (many who current work within the provincial CAQ) see opportunity in the ensuing chaos.
Bring it.
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Old Mar 11th, 2019, 08:07 PM   #32
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All of Canada’s media is controlled by the state now. The RCMP answers directly to the PMO. He controls all the levers and buttons. All the Provincial Premiers are Servile running dogs, who lick his hand. The unelected Head of State is appointed by the PM. Every position of importance is appointed or controlled by the PM in Canada.
That is how crooked the Canadian System really is and has become. Even the Black Robed Priests come when he crooks his finger.
There is a long way out if you want to stay in Canada. You have to elect a strong Provincial Premier that serves only the citizens of their Province.
The Province has to have a Provincial Constitution enshrining the section of the BNA that divides the powers in Canada between the Provinces and Ottawa. Section 45 of the BNA provides this power.
The Premier has to have a mandate from the people, an undated signed check from the Provincial Citizens called a UDI a Universal Declaration of Independence as a hammer.
And every time Ottawa encroaches the Premier picks up the hammer. The other option which I think is the only way is for the citizens of Alberta to hold a binding referendum granting their Leader the UDI and use it immediately. Create a new country a Republic called Alberta. The UDI immediately removes the Province from all jurisdiction by Ottawa and the Courts. It ends all control by Ottawa inside the Provincial Borders of Alberta with one stroke. The will of the majority of Alberta’s 4m citizens then can not be ignored. They will have democratically spoken.
Canada is still a Confederation of Sovereign states (Provinces) it is not a unitary Federation. The Premier of a Province is the First Minister of the Crown in that Province with equal power to the Prime Minister of Ottawa within the BNA.
Each Province has a Parliament and a Supreme Court. The system is already in place in each Province because Canada is a Confederation.
The original 13 Colonies in the USA were Provinces until they Declared UDI. The Provinces were each Individual Colonies of Great Britain complete with a Governor of each Province who answered directly to the British Crown, that Governor is still in each Province in the Office of Lt. Gov. Each Province still has it’s own Head of State. When these colonies united in 1867, they became the United Colonies of Canada. The Provinces in effect merely exchanged colonial status with Great Britain for Colonial Status under Ottawa.
Interesting read.
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Old Mar 11th, 2019, 08:38 PM   #33
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Interesting read.
Notley rolled over and played dead for Justin.
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Old Mar 11th, 2019, 08:42 PM   #34
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Notley rolled over and played dead for Justin.
Well, not much of a move by Notley when Turdeau has been dead from the butt up since birth and rising much higher since 2015.
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Old Mar 11th, 2019, 10:53 PM   #35
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Notley rolled over and played dead for Justin.
What I'm having difficulty reconciling is whether she was just being stupid when she traded the carbon tax for an alleged pipeline or if she honestly believed Justa Turd was going to produce.
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Old Mar 17th, 2019, 12:05 PM   #36
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The same will be required to get beyond the issues today.

Building energy and the west required iron will and stoic discipline

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The most glaring and disheartening variable that we cannot change at present is the overarching policies set by those for whom misguided UN-dictates are more important than national governance. Our current federal leadership is, frankly, an inbred, ignorant, self-centered national disaster. But even if Trudeau & Co. disappear, the problem remains to some extent. Power centers like Ottawa or Washington develop their own ecosystems, and attention goes where the votes are. From Ottawa, that primary concern extends about 300 km in every direction and then fades, with but a few localized hot spots scattered across the country. A conservative government may well treat the west differently, but come election time the same problem always exists – some areas are going to dominate the agenda. These days, energy has an uphill battle everywhere.
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Too polite by half.

Western Canadians in general & Albertans in particular will need to recognize the fact that separation is the only option available if we want to move product, any product, unfettered to market.
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Old Mar 24th, 2019, 10:54 AM   #37
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Interesting, considering the source. When even the Grope & Flail is paying attention..

I Want A New Country

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Western Canada is experiencing a rising tide of resentment toward the rest of the country amidst political battles over pipelines, emissions and equalization payments, with a majority in Alberta and Saskatchewan now saying they get so little out of Confederation that they might as well leave.

That’s according to a massive new survey from the Environics Institute, which confirms a widespread impression that Western alienation has gotten worse since Justin Trudeau became Prime Minister. Add a persistent malaise in Atlantic Canada, and the survey depicts an uneasy Confederation on the heels of its 150th anniversary.

The poll, which asked more than 5,000 people about their attitudes toward the country between December and January, found a federation feeling more provincial. The proportion of Canadians who said their province or region is important to their sense of self rose from 69 per cent to 77 per cent in the past decade and a half, even as talk of Quebec separatism has cooled.
I have a habit of being a woman ahead of my time.
Couple comments stood out for me:

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LCB you are right. Nostalgia. Your family in TROC will still be your family after Alberta and possibly Sask. are gone. Canada the old Canada is gone it will never come back. Let that sink in, Canada the Old Canada is gone. Alberta families essentially send over 600B to Ottawa since resources was made a part of equalization. What does that mean. It means Alberta Families alone paid off all the National Debt, and are still chastised and **** on inside the former Canada.
Are the resources of other Provinces included in the Equalization formula. Absolutely not. Quebec Hydro posted a 4B profit this year yet got 13B in money from Alberta and Sask. Quebec’s resources are untouchable. Get out Alberta. Get the hell out.
Kenney needs to stop all pipelines from BC flowing through Alberta. Shut them in, block them off. Shut down all commercial truck traffic for 2-3 days for each vehicle with safety inspections before allowing them to cross Alberta, also make the buy a special one time only transit permit. Shut down all rail traffic east and west through Alberta, and shut off all Alberta oil going east or west. No Alberta oil or gas for TROC let them pay world prices. This will also force Oil Tankers onto BC. Maintain these things until we get what we want. A fair and square deal. Let Err Buck.
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I love Watcher's comments.

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It’s pretty obvious that the Liberals have written off Alberta and use the transfer payments to bribe Quebec and the Maritime provinces. The big question will be Ontario. What I want to know is…

New Brunswick has 770,000 people and 10 Federal ridings (77,000 people per riding).

Alberta has 4.31 million people and 34 seats (126,000). Alberta should have 56 ridings (22 more), or more ridings than Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and PEI combined.
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Old Mar 25th, 2019, 11:31 AM   #38
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An Article to All Canadians: Why Would Most in the West SEE it Any Other Way?

Mostly an interesting, if somewhat lengthy, read.

I'd like the author to clarify what he means when he notes about 1/3 of the way in:

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The large majority of us westerners aren't climate change deniers...
If he means that westerners largely know the climate varies due to Ma Nature, fine. If, however, he thinks there is some measurable anthropogenic signal (and subsequent response) somewhere, that's another thing entirely.
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Old Apr 3rd, 2019, 07:37 PM   #39
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What is the west so upset about? Well, there’s this…

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Instead of raining blows upon people’s heads with yet another diatribe about how Canada’s petroleum sector is being disadvantaged, it’s time for something a little different, to explain to mystified Canadians just why feeling are running a little high out west. Yes, we see the news, we hear that Canada is warming faster than ever. Yes, we know the world is gravely concerned about climate change. We hear that, and the calls to do better. But the world continues to consume more and more petroleum products, for better or worse, and to pretend otherwise is unhelpful. Almost all of you, and us, are in that boat, with the size of our lifestyle footprints. What is irksome then, among other things, is the level to which things are taken for granted. So it’s quiz time!
Bold mine.

Some freaks & weirdos are concerned. The rest of us? Not so much...

The balance of the article is a good read. Tons of salient questions.
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Old May 14th, 2019, 10:50 AM   #40
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Interesting read from an article published in The Roughneck.

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The Roughneck has kindly provided the article free of charge to our readers.

Download the pdf here: Roughneck Article April 2019.

“…founded in 1952 as the voice of the Canadian oil community. The magazine reports on the people and events of that community – both past and present – that have made the oilpatch in Canada what it is today.” Here’s a link should you wish to subscribe.
I'm not sure that the concept of trading interior BC land for federal debt is a starter.

Comments salient.
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