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Old Dec 17th, 2018, 09:23 PM   #21
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Legault is only repeating what Notley has already been saying. Too late for her to overturn the narrative now.
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Old Dec 18th, 2018, 10:38 AM   #22
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And so it continues:

Talks of Alberta separating from Canada grow

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Old Dec 18th, 2018, 11:06 AM   #23
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And so it continues:

Talks of Alberta separating from Canada grow
I don't know who political scientist Duane Bratt is, but he don't have a clew. The pipeline issue is the straw that broke the camel's back. There are economic issues which stretch back decades.
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Old Dec 18th, 2018, 08:46 PM   #24
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I don't know who political scientist Duane Bratt is, but he don't have a clew. The pipeline issue is the straw that broke the camel's back. There are economic issues which stretch back decades.
$20 billion goes a long way to smoothing over problems with being a small landlocked nation. If this conversation continues, more Albertans will get a better idea of the costs, and it will stun them.

It's in the neighbourhood of $5k per person. $15,000 per year for a family of three. That's net, after subtracting what the federal government spends in Alberta.

The case for Alberta being in the federation is weak and many politicians in Ottawa and other provinces don't seem to get that. Canada losing Alberta would be an idiotic "own goal" to be studied for the ages.
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Old Dec 26th, 2018, 04:21 PM   #25
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Galt Oil, Inc.

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“There is no work here. And it’s not because there’s no oil here. It’s because you are systematically – the province and the federal government – destroying this industry.”
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The enemies of Alberta, and our industries, are heavily populated with folks who have an intense disdain for anyone who does well on the basis of “dirty” work. “Coarse” industry should never be a wellspring of wealth. Oh, it’s perfectly acceptable to become wealthy by owning such enterprises, or shares in them. As long as one is educated and earns the bulk of one’s living by more noble means, such as education, or medicine, or law. But, it’s another thing entirely to actually become wealthy by dint of skill or the taking on risks associated with scratching at the earth. It’s not just the energy industry, either.
They recoil at the idea of a welder building steel girders for a highway bridge earning as much as a lawyer or an accountant. They regularly look down their noses at the purchase/lease of a $700,000 combine as some kind of exercise in ego-stroking, or ranching as basically “watching cattle **** and eat grass”, never grasping that the guy running that combine has to put several million dollars worth of barley and canola through it just to break even, or that the rancher might be running two or three million dollars worth of cattle, upon which he makes a nice living, fraught as it is with risk.
I once stood in line at the Subway, right behind two doctors. I happen to know that both are big Liberal supporters here in Red Deer. They were discussing the fact that a guy who owns five local car dealerships- he started out as a salesman at a GM store- was building a big hacienda out in a rural subdivision where the two doctors had new places. I heard a line that will long stick with me, largely because I know these two guys will be Liberals til they die.
One asked the other “Who does this used car salesman think he is building a place out there with us?”
This is a guy who employs several hundred people directly. His dealerships EACH pay in the neighborhood of a quarter million a year just in property taxes (That number could easily be way low. It’s not high.). Add payroll taxes, and GST, plus all the people employed building the cars he sells, plus those employed in advertising his stores, and so forth.
But the Liberal doctors were insulted by the fact that this rather coarse merchant was living among them. That strain of thought runs through the intelligentsia who are the backbone of modern liberalism. Wealth is not for those for whom toil is coarse in nature. Nor are the venues of public policy. Those who engage in coarse ventures can only coarsen the debate, and by extension, coarsen public policy.
We can’t be having any of that now, can we.
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My thoughts:
1. Vote out Nutley
2. Vote to renegotiate equalization.
3. Wean Alberta off RCMP. Set up Alberta pension plan instead of CPP. Disconnect ourselves from as many federal programs as possible. Set up dual income tax like Quebec.
4. Stop BC wine and BC “sewage” fish being sold in Alberta.
5. Opt out of supply management of dairy. Use the not withstanding clause.
6. Harass or even stop BC and Quebec goods from passing through Alberta. Really thorough safety inspections of vehicles, trains, and their contents. Etc
7. Apply a carbon tax on all oil products going to BC. $5 a litre might get their attention. It would be a pilot project.

I am so angry that I now really see Alberta separating.
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“I am so angry that I now really see Alberta separating.”
As a resident of B.C. I agree with you 100%.
I hope the price of gas in BC goes to 5 bucks a liter.I buy ALMOST all my gas and diesel for our cars and truck in the US as well as much of my discretionary purchases from the US. A large portion of the goods purchased in Canada comes from China thru the port of Vancouver. Charge $8000 for every railcar that comes through Alberta from B.C. And DON’T stop until the first drop of oil flows through an expanded Trans Mountain pipeline. And tax every railcar going to Quebec UNTIL the Energy East pipeline starts carry Alberta oil to the east coast.
The wine embargo was a good start and got the attention of B.C. Unfortunately Notly folded WAY to soon.
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Old Dec 27th, 2018, 10:49 AM   #26
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If you’re still wondering…
… why oil-rich Alberta doesn’t have a massive sovereign wealth fund like Norway, consider this.

Alberta is a province, not a country. Ergo, we don’t get to keep all the wealth we generate in this province. Not even close.

I realize this runs counter to the preferred narrative in Canada, where politicians and media types insist Alberta either “put all its eggs in one basket” by failing to diversify its economy (hello Christy Clark), or that Albertans “spent like drunken sailors” during boom times.

Sure, there’s some truth to those arguments. But the far bigger reason why Alberta isn’t rolling in filthy lucre is that we are part of a federation called Canada.
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Old Jan 3rd, 2019, 03:42 PM   #27
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Truckers For Pipelines

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Organizers of a truck convoy to Ottawa to pressure the federal government to fast-track pipeline construction say the effort is snowballing.

Proponents of pushing hundreds of trucks and other vehicles to Parliament Hill in February say a GoFundMe page and a recruitment effort are swelling the effect of the so-called Yellow Vest protest that’s expected to embark from Red Deer on Feb. 15.

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Several protest convoys of hundreds of vehicles have already trundled through Alberta venting anger over legal and political roadblocks facing the Trans Mountain and Energy East pipeline expansions.

Organizers of the Convoy to Ottawa effort say they’ll harness that momentum and emotion for the countrywide trek that is expected to end with a rally on Parliament Hill sometime between Feb. 19 and 23.
A “rally”? Fill the streets, park them and walk. Turn that city into a parking lot.
Bold mine.

Nails it.

Comments very salient.
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Old Jan 14th, 2019, 02:31 PM   #28
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Very interesting article linked, including a bit of history about the breakup of the Northwest Territories into AB & SK I was unaware of.

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The author lists 2 ideas:

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1. Saskatchewan and Alberta indicate to the federal government the desire to immediately enter into negotiations to take over responsibility for the collection of all taxes, both provincial and federal. This is the same deal Quebec has long had and is the first step to taking both responsibility and accountability for our own affairs. This way we begin to more closely control the level of taxes that are submitted to the federal treasury from our two provinces.
He fills out the details further.

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2. Saskatchewan and Alberta form an expert council to immediately develop terms of reference to enter into joint discussions on a suitable path forward as equals. No options will go unexplored and will include but not be limited to;
A. The merger of the two provinces as equals as was the original intent in the formation of Buffalo.
B. Exploration of admission into the United States of America as the 51st State.
C. The formation of a new sovereign nation, independent of either Canada or the USA.
D. The exploration of a joining together with British Columbia, Manitoba and the 3 Canadian Territories to form an independent nation.
E. A new deal presented to the rest of Canada that allows the confederation of Canada to remain intact geographically while enhancing our own power and control over our own affairs to our own satisfaction. This would imply significant changes to equalization, resource extraction and mobility and a much greater share in control over the judiciary and policy of Canada.
A is interesting but doesn't go far enough.
B is a non-starter. What happens if somebody like Bill's Wife <shudder> gets elected? Out of the frying pan & into the fire.
C is by far the most preferred & only option.
D doesn't work because of BC. There is also an interesting comment by Chris Couture at the linked article that discusses further issues.
E is a non-starter, too.

Lengthy, but worthwhile comments at first link, especially one & two that could be used as a partial template.
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Old Jan 30th, 2019, 02:04 PM   #29
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Six hundred and eleven billion reasons why Alberta should tell the Laurentian Elite to shove it.

Canadians have taken Alberta for granted. That’s dangerous for us all

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Six-hundred and eleven billion dollars and counting. That is how much Albertans have paid to the rest of Canada in net federal fiscal transfers from 1961 to 2017 — that is, federal taxes paid by Albertans net of federal spending in Alberta (all numbers in 2017 dollars).

In a presentation last week in Calgary, Tim Hearn and Robert Mansell of the University of Calgary’s School of Public Policy also noted that in just the past eight years alone, since 2010, Albertans have paid $180 billion in net fiscal transfers, more than any other province.

Just think about that. In 57 years, Albertans have paid almost as much in transfers to the rest of the country as the total of our entire federal debt today. It’s a transfer averaging $3,674 per Albertan every year. Over 57 years, it totals $209,418 per Albertan.
Bold mine.

I want my cheque, fukcers...
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Old Feb 4th, 2019, 10:46 AM   #30
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Nope.

Alberta: Our 51st state?

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Alberta as our 51st state is not as far-fetched as it sounds at first blush. The idea was written about by Peter Zeihan in Accidental Superpower (2014) and recently broached by Holman Jenkins, Jr. in no less than the Wall Street Journal. Before diving into the politics and practicality of a Alberta leaving Canada, let's first review some background to see why such a traumatic event could even be considered.
While it's an interesting take, I ain't interested.

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Landlocked as it is, Alberta could not make it as an independent country.
I disagree. The potential of every vehicle (including passenger cars) & every piece of freight crossing our border (land & air) getting hit with users fees & tariffs puts us in a very strong bargaining position. And, we will still have access to US markets & their transportation system, just like we currently do.
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