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Old Jul 2nd, 2018, 01:50 PM   #91
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Ahhh the age of innocence. While the advanced drugs used today didn’t exist in their era, it is unfortunate that when athletes get paid to win they ALL find a way to sneak an advantage. Aaron, Mays, Mantle probably had such an item...... the leagues just couldn’t catch it, or more likely, they refused to look. But I will give you this..... if you were going to have 3 A’s heroes...... you would be hard pressed to find any better.

I always like Wills and Carew!
Yes, Mays, Aaron, Mantle, et al, had an "item" ............... it was called ability.
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Yes, Mays, Aaron, Mantle, et al, had an "item" ............... it was called ability.
Well you can’t argue about that...they certainly had talent.

There is a rumour going around that MLB will start to change rules regarding the shift. They see it as slowing the game and limiting scoring. So it will be infielders with one foot on the infield. What a bunch of crap. Watching the games many players have such an open away that if they bunted a cripple without a cane could beat the throw. Why they do not bunt amazes me. What they need is more fundamental play.
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Well you can’t argue about that...they certainly had talent.

There is a rumour going around that MLB will start to change rules regarding the shift. They see it as slowing the game and limiting scoring. So it will be infielders with one foot on the infield. What a bunch of crap. Watching the games many players have such an open away that if they bunted a cripple without a cane could beat the throw. Why they do not bunt amazes me. What they need is more fundamental play.
Not sure how they can control this sort of shift. They used it against Ted Williams back in the 40s and 50s ............ did not help stop his hitting it all over the field.
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On this day, back in 1963, Juan Marichal outlasted Warren Spahn ............... for 16 innings. SIXTEEN! This is when starting pitchers could last more than their "allotted" 100 pitches per game.

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Not sure how they can control this sort of shift. They used it against Ted Williams back in the 40s and 50s ............ did not help stop his hitting it all over the field.
True, but Williams played in an era where pitchers pitched inside, went 9 innings and the flow of the game was “move the line along”. Today, we see basically 2 pitch pitchers. No one pitches inside, or high. In Williams day they were much crueller pitching and he had the sense to use the whole field. So if you tried to pitch inside he could opposite field the thing. His batting skill was amazing and again HE USED THE WHOLE FIELD. It is almost a catholic view today to hit for the “launch angle”. Again home runs are what baseball sees as entertaining not player movement.

I mean really, what would you rather see a home run or a player trying for a triple?

In today’s world, even though the pitchers are stronger and faster, the fact that they aren’t as mean, don’t pitch high or inside, the guy would hit 700.
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On this day, back in 1963, Juan Marichal outlasted Warren Spahn ............... for 16 innings. SIXTEEN! This is when starting pitchers could last more than their "allotted" 100 pitches per game.

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Never happen again. What you will see more of is 3 innings and out. Take SD, varied pitching...not great starters but in a 3 and out situation and their bull pen they should be up in the standings more than where they are.
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True, but Williams played in an era where pitchers pitched inside, went 9 innings and the flow of the game was “move the line along”. Today, we see basically 2 pitch pitchers. No one pitches inside, or high. In Williams day they were much crueller pitching and he had the sense to use the whole field. So if you tried to pitch inside he could opposite field the thing. His batting skill was amazing and again HE USED THE WHOLE FIELD. It is almost a catholic view today to hit for the “launch angle”. Again home runs are what baseball sees as entertaining not player movement.

I mean really, what would you rather see a home run or a player trying for a triple?

In today’s world, even though the pitchers are stronger and faster, the fact that they aren’t as mean, don’t pitch high or inside, the guy would hit 700.
An interesting observation, Rp. I remember asking my father why they called Sal Maglie "The Barber", and he told me that he would pitch so far inside and near a batter's head, that it was close enough to give the batter a shave.

Hall of Fame pitcher Don Drysdale credited Maglie with teaching him the art of brushing back batters while the two were teammates in Brooklyn.

Personally, I love to watch a batter hit triples. Those are my favorite hits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...riples_leaders
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Never happen again. What you will see more of is 3 innings and out. Take SD, varied pitching...not great starters but in a 3 and out situation and their bull pen they should be up in the standings more than where they are.
True. Sometimes they let a pitcher go past 5 innings if they are pitching really well, or just 5 if the game is close. This way, the starting pitcher has a chance to get the win. I remember when Whitey Ford won 25 games in 1961, with Luis Arroyo his "saver". Ford would go 7 innings and then he would hand the ball over to Arroyo, who won 15 games on his own that year.
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Well you can’t argue about that...they certainly had talent.

There is a rumour going around that MLB will start to change rules regarding the shift. They see it as slowing the game and limiting scoring. So it will be infielders with one foot on the infield. What a bunch of crap. Watching the games many players have such an open away that if they bunted a cripple without a cane could beat the throw. Why they do not bunt amazes me. What they need is more fundamental play.
Hopefully.. HOPEFULLY (but doubtful) players will start taking some damn BP and work at beating the shift, not just constantly trying to over power it.

When I used to play... yes.. pull the ball if your a pull hitter... but guess what after a couple of games against the same team they learn the hitters and shift the field to adjust.. always have. The "shift" is just a drastic adjustment of this on the infield. So baseball fundamentals, you learn to hit where they are not standing.
So what if your a power hitter.. the idea of the shift is percentages. So chop a single (or bunt as you say RPS) the other way. Yes a power hitter won't hit a dinger or extra bases, but you won't get out and the smallball over and over and over will beat the shift.

The other problem with the shift is now they are shifting everyone. When Madden first stared doing it, it was just to the big boys and it was radical and new. People didn't have a clue what was happening... now its ever other damn hitter it seems like.

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Breligion, right on! The issue is that they are forgetting how to play the game and relying on sabremeteics too much. Take the rumour that the NL will go to the DH....why, because pitchers get hurt running bases. The cure, get in better shape. As for the shift.....hitum where they ain’t. The trouble is the NL is getting like the AL. No run manufacturing just home runs. We also don’t value great pitching today.
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