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Old Jan 18th, 2018, 11:32 AM   #41
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Yes, we should. How'd that complete absence of consciousness work out for ya last time?

And, if you are truly interested in the topic, go up to my post 22 on this thread, click the first link & scroll down to this quote:



Yeah, my bold.


While I feel we are ideologically opposed on many issues, your post here is what I believe to be right on. We use symbols to categorise as well as control. The Hijab appear to have little to do with religious followings and more to do with property ownership.

We have many instances of this in our society....under the guise of freedom of faith. However we only take a cursory study and go with the easy populist route...Kirpans come to mind.....we tend to forget that the symbol, itself, can be symbolic.
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Old Jan 18th, 2018, 11:36 AM   #42
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What is it in the DNA of politicians that prevents them from admitting to even an honest mistake? Do they not understand how foolish they look when they don’t and how it contributes to public cynicism about politics? And, worst of all, that it undermines the very things they hoped to avoid in terms of public attitudes about important issues?
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[T]he one thing lacking in the follow-up tweets and statements by Trudeau, Wynne and Tory after their initial indignant tweets which assumed the story was true, was any acknowledgment they had made a mistake.

Instead of admitting they were in error, they continued to self-righteously lecture the rest of us on how, while they were relieved this incident hadn’t happened, we must all remain, as they do, on guard against hatred, racism, bigotry, Islamophobia, anti-Semitism, etc.
Yeah, my bold.

Why Would a Young Girl Make Up an Anti-Muslim Attack?

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First, we should be clear that we don’t know what prompted the girl to fabricate the story. The two most logical explanations are that she was being bullied at school for being a Muslim or wearing a hijab, or that Muslim grievances against the West were something she was used to hearing about from her family, community or mosque.

At any rate, an 11-year old is old enough to recognize that making any such claim would draw quite a bit of attention.

All the more reason that the story should have been corroborated. Given the number of incidences of late where these types of stories are hoaxes, the damage they cause to society at large (which is accused of racism) as well as the Muslim community itself (for pretending that the society is racist) is significant.
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Yet, the truth remains that Muslims are not the group that is most demonized and the brunt of the majority of hate crimes in the West – that distinction consistently goes to the Jews.

In 2016 in the U.S., 54 percent of religiously-motivated hate crimes were against Jews versus 24 percent against Muslims. (Check the statistics in the U.S., Canada, Great Britain and France.)
This is not news to anybody informed on the topic, myself included.

Yet never once, CM, have I ever read a post from you (let alone a dedicated thread) on hate crimes against Jews.

Doesn't fit the narrative, does it: Racist white guys.

I'd believe far more your pleas of "compassion" if they were sprinkled across the planet's populace more or less equally, instead of targeting only the demographics that are politically expedient to & suit only Prog narratives.

TDSB did not discuss implications of letting 11-year-old face media over hijab story

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The Toronto District School Board says it never discussed the implications of allowing an 11-year-old girl to speak to a barrage of reporters after she had made apparently false allegations her hijab had been cut, twice.

It was “not part of the conversation,” TDSB spokesperson Ryan Bird told the Star Tuesday.

The TDSB requires that parents or guardians give permission for a person under the age 18 to take part in a media event or availability. “It’s very important that parents and guardians are responsible for this approval,” Bird said.
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Old Jan 18th, 2018, 01:37 PM   #43
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Blah, Blah, Blah,
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Yet never once, CM, have I ever read a post from you (let alone a dedicated thread) on hate crimes against Jews.

Doesn't fit the narrative, does it: Racist white guys.
Are you saying that none of the hate crimes against Jews were perpetrated by Racist white guys? You know that Hitler was a racist white guy, right?

When someone (pm-r? eMacMan?) posted that link to hate crimes in Canada, with Jews at the top, followed by Muslims, I admit to being surprised. It would be interesting to see the details of those incidents / in what space they were committed, since I can't recall seeing coverage of them...

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I'd believe far more your pleas of "compassion" if they were sprinkled across the planet's populace more or less equally, instead of targeting only the demographics that are politically expedient to & suit only Prog narratives.
The issue has always been you and others unhinged focus on Muslims, not that they are more deserving of coverage than other races / religions / whatever. You're Pavlovian in your reactions to anything to do with Muslims.

As I've stated previously: as an atheist, all religions are equally ridiculous in my eyes. As a sociologist, human beings' predisposition to making up magical sky beings (or forest beings or whatever) is curious and worthy of study to understand the motivations of social actors and their likely behaviours. But as ridiculous as I find their beliefs, there is a very basic concept of human goodness that should enable us to not be so hateful to the "other", regardless of how different it might be from our own socio-cultural traditions.

TDSB did not discuss implications of letting 11-year-old face media over hijab story[/QUOTE]

From my reading of this hijab cutting story, the TDSB deserves a good deal of blame for taking the girl's fake story to the next level without proper vetting. Still, the rabid Right's willingness to go into conspiracy mode is, sadly, all too familiar.
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Old Jan 18th, 2018, 01:45 PM   #44
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I’ll just add one thought both of you should consider.....it’s called “online presence”. Even 11yr olds are bloggers today, and as with adults, viewership is everything...nuff said.
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I’ll just add one thought both of you should consider.....it’s called “online presence”. Even 11yr olds are bloggers today, and as with adults, viewership is everything...nuff said.
Some of the hate crimes against Jews are questionable to say the least.

One that comes to mind is B'nai Brith having someone plant an obscene post to University of Lethbridge Professor Anthony Hall's Facebook page. While B'nai Brith found the posting within minutes, Professor Hall was visiting a Jewish friend in Texas and first learned of the posting when the President of the University suspended him without a hearing. The actual post was quickly traced to a Jewish Activist (with a criminal record) but that was never brought out in the Lamestream, which went to great lengths to crucify Professor Hall.

Professor Hall's real offense was believing that 9/11 was an inside job and then connecting the dots to possible perpetrators. That list is pretty slim when you look for someone with a vested interest in smearing and attacking Muslims.
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Are you saying that none of the hate crimes against Jews were perpetrated by Racist white guys? You know that Hitler was a racist white guy, right?

When someone (pm-r? eMacMan?) posted that link to hate crimes in Canada, with Jews at the top, followed by Muslims, I admit to being surprised. It would be interesting to see the details of those incidents / in what space they were committed, since I can't recall seeing coverage of them...



The issue has always been you and others unhinged focus on Muslims, not that they are more deserving of coverage than other races / religions / whatever. You're Pavlovian in your reactions to anything to do with Muslims.

As I've stated previously: as an atheist, all religions are equally ridiculous in my eyes. As a sociologist, human beings' predisposition to making up magical sky beings (or forest beings or whatever) is curious and worthy of study to understand the motivations of social actors and their likely behaviours. But as ridiculous as I find their beliefs, there is a very basic concept of human goodness that should enable us to not be so hateful to the "other", regardless of how different it might be from our own socio-cultural traditions.

TDSB did not discuss implications of letting 11-year-old face media over hijab story

From my reading of this hijab cutting story, the TDSB deserves a good deal of blame for taking the girl's fake story to the next level without proper vetting. Still, the rabid Right's willingness to go into conspiracy mode is, sadly, all too familiar.
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Are you saying that none of the hate crimes against Jews were perpetrated by Racist white guys?
What? MotherJones didn't report on that? Salon? The Clinton News Network?? Surprise, surprise. Mebbe you should read a few more "dead squirrel" blogs.

It's also not just Canada.

BTW, it's a gopher. Guess I shouldn't expect a journalist cum sociologist to know the difference...

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When someone (pm-r? eMacMan?) posted that link to hate crimes in Canada, with Jews at the top, followed by Muslims, I admit to being surprised.
Missed again. I'm against all demographics with a reputation for killing, violence, rape, intolerance, misogyny, lying, etc., etc., etc. The simple fact is many followers of Islam fall under those descriptors.

The question is, why aren't you?

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You're Pavlovian in your reactions to anything to do with Muslims.
I'm sure this is related to the topic somehow...

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blah, blah, atheist, blah, blah...
I'm sorry. Did I miss something? 'Cause I was purdy sure it was the Progs (into which you can dump the TDSB) who jumped into "conspiracy mode" over this lie. Or have you forgotten already? Recently you seem to be forgetting when you get your ass handed to you on these boards. Your mind OK? I can point you to page 1 of this thread if you have.

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Still, the rabid Right's willingness to go into conspiracy mode is, sadly, all too familiar.
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as an atheist, all religions are equally ridiculous in my eyes.
Not believing in god(s) does not lead to that conclusion. The conclusion requires value judgements. I'm not sure atheism is even a necessary condition, depending on how you draw the spirituality/religion line. But that's probably for another thread.
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Not believing in god(s) does not lead to that conclusion. The conclusion requires value judgements. I'm not sure atheism is even a necessary condition, depending on how you draw the spirituality/religion line. But that's probably for another thread.
Pretty awful to see someone think they've become enlightened by rejecting all religions... and then winding up a bitter socialist.
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Pretty awful to see someone think they've become enlightened by rejecting all religions... and then winding up a bitter socialist.
That would be an interesting study. Atheists who started that way, versus in response to being in deeply religious communities, versus those who became atheist alongside their political beliefs. Are these groups noticeably different?

My anecdotal observations suggest they are.
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