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Old Sep 12th, 2017, 02:26 PM   #51
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You know as well as I do that it doesn't take much to gain post-secondary acceptance, nor to hang around at a C level.

As far as standards are concerned, do you think that the post-secondary institutions are going to raise or lower their standards under pressure from governments to make political hay with all this "free" education money? It's not going to look very good if there are all these people gaining entrance to university & getting kicked out after first year because certain standards couldn't be met, is it?

In addition, the point is not whether they're maintaining acceptable standards. It's if they should be there in the first place & if they're going to last the long run, not a semester or three before they get bored & move on.

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If they are not qualified, then they should not be allowed to enter. If they can't maintain certain standards, then they should not be allowed to stay.
Good for you. Seeing as you had to go out & get your education money rather than just get a gov't handout, don't you think that provided just a little extra kick in the pants to succeed? I certainly do. You've made my point for me.

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So, I am in favor of giving individual students like myself the chance to succeed based on their own merits and accomplishments.
Doubtful. But you'd have to ask a Libertarian...

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Does this make me a Libertarian like my brother Macfury???
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Old Sep 12th, 2017, 02:34 PM   #52
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Ontario currently has a program designed to get failed high school students into college. They teach high school AT a college, then declare one of the courses to be a combined high school/college course. Voila, they are all in college!
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I've provided evidence to support my position.

You've provided none.
My point is that you have generalized based on a few examples. You may say that these examples demonstrate some POV, but that does not necessarily make it so. I make no broad generalizations since there is no way I would be able to collect reliable and valid data.
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"You know as well as I do that it doesn't take much to gain post-secondary acceptance, nor to hang around at a C level." FeXL, this is what I like about the State of Georgia model. You have to maintain an average of B each year that you want to apply for this grant. It is not just given to a student -- each student has to earn it.
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Ontario currently has a program designed to get failed high school students into college. They teach high school AT a college, then declare one of the courses to be a combined high school/college course. Voila, they are all in college!
Interesting, if true. I know that my son wanted to take a degree program at U of T, but could not get into the program with a 3.2 (out of 4) average. He was able to get into a similar program at Ryerson.
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Old Sep 12th, 2017, 03:17 PM   #56
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So what guarantees do we have that this sensible-sounding program will be implemented in Ontario?

Zero...

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FeXL, this is what I like about the State of Georgia model. You have to maintain an average of B each year that you want to apply for this grant. It is not just given to a student -- each student has to earn it.
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I quoted a few examples from many available. I don't know how many or what it would take to convince you otherwise.

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My point is that you have generalized based on a few examples.
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Old Sep 12th, 2017, 03:22 PM   #58
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So, Freddie, question: Why is it that anyone who disagrees with you or offers an alternative viewpoint is a "contrarian"?

Why aren't you ever the "contrarian"?

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So what guarantees do we have that this sensible-sounding program will be implemented in Ontario?

Zero...
I have no idea, mon ami. I am really not that familiar with the post secondary system in ON.
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I quoted a few examples from many available. I don't know how many or what it would take to convince you otherwise.
My point is that one cannot make a broad generalization statement (e.g., everyone posting in this thread is a socialist) with just a limited number of anecdotal examples. Granted, I was hopeful when I read that one study that said that drinking red wine in moderation was helpful for one's heart, but it was only one study. Thus, while the finding in that one study may be accurate, it cannot be extended to all people in all situations. That is the problem with gathering and presenting reliable and valid statistics ............. there needs to be documented research, analysis and accuracy before a broad generalization might be made.
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