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Old Mar 19th, 2019, 12:15 PM   #301
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An interesting idea. Wonder if it will work? We shall see.
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An interesting idea. Wonder if it will work? We shall see.
Like most progressive experiments in education, I expect this one to fail miserably.
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An interesting idea. Wonder if it will work? We shall see.
I'm willing to bet money that it will fail.
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I'm willing to bet money that it will fail.
I agree! A little history.... I went to a one room school, we had 1 teacher for all 8 grades. Later, when I was in grade 3 the school was split into two, a teacher for 1 to 4, and a teacher for 5 to 8. Much of what we learned, especially in math, was by rote.

What this did for all grades was build on the basics....why 3x3 = 9 came later.

What I have noticed in my adult years is that kids today treat addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division as discrete subjects. They do not see the interaction of the functions and the relationship of numbers. What I also have noticed is that today’s teachers do not seem to be able to teach math because they can’t make it a real and tangible thing. Think about your math classes.....how old were you and what was that key item when you suddenly realized you could actually use “this” for something.

I still remember log tables....I always thought nice to know but so what.....who carried log tables around.

Expressed another way....Discovery math didn’t put man on the moon, it was rote learning.
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I agree! A little history.... I went to a one room school, we had 1 teacher for all 8 grades. Later, when I was in grade 3 the school was split into two, a teacher for 1 to 4, and a teacher for 5 to 8. Much of what we learned, especially in math, was by rote.

What this did for all grades was build on the basics....why 3x3 = 9 came later.

What I have noticed in my adult years is that kids today treat addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division as discrete subjects. They do not see the interaction of the functions and the relationship of numbers. What I also have noticed is that today’s teachers do not seem to be able to teach math because they can’t make it a real and tangible thing. Think about your math classes.....how old were you and what was that key item when you suddenly realized you could actually use “this” for something.

I still remember log tables....I always thought nice to know but so what.....who carried log tables around.

Expressed another way....Discovery math didn’t put man on the moon, it was rote learning.
"Think about your math classes.....how old were you and what was that key item when you suddenly realized you could actually use “this” for something." I was about 10 years of age and started to figure out batting averages, ERAs, etc for my favorite baseball players. These were the days before the calculator. This is when I really understood the use of math .................. and it stayed with me until grade 10 when algebra entered the mix with letters and numbers. I was doomed. Luckily, grade 11 geometry saved me (I am a visual learner so I liked geometry). I think the goal of this experiment is to help students become "risk takers" in their learning process. I recall when teachers would "bleed" over my compositions due to all my spelling mistakes, rather than comment upon the content of the written work. Luckily, it was in my final course for my doctoral program, a course in the assessment of advanced literacy learning disabilities, that I discovered that I had a LD in spelling. Sadly, it took me four university degrees to discover that I was not stupid when it came to spelling. I still cannot spell well ............. but at least I do not feel stupid. Excelsior.
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"Think about your math classes.....how old were you and what was that key item when you suddenly realized you could actually use “this” for something." I was about 10 years of age and started to figure out batting averages, ERAs, etc for my favorite baseball players. These were the days before the calculator. This is when I really understood the use of math .................. and it stayed with me until grade 10 when algebra entered the mix with letters and numbers. I was doomed. Luckily, grade 11 geometry saved me (I am a visual learner so I liked geometry). I think the goal of this experiment is to help students become "risk takers" in their learning process. I recall when teachers would "bleed" over my compositions due to all my spelling mistakes, rather than comment upon the content of the written work. Luckily, it was in my final course for my doctoral program, a course in the assessment of advanced literacy learning disabilities, that I discovered that I had a LD in spelling. Sadly, it took me four university degrees to discover that I was not stupid when it came to spelling. I still cannot spell well ............. but at least I do not feel stupid. Excelsior.


Thanks for sharing your first hand account, Marc. Education is a far-reaching subject, and everyone has a story to tell.
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Tell us how you failed math, Freddie.


Just full of positivity, aren’t you? Now you know why the other kids didn’t want to play with you.
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You're the one who just associated poor math skills with negativity, not me.

Long ago I discovered the maxim of, "You'll learn more from your failures than your successes" was eminently true. That's definitely a plus, not a negative. Your particular mileage may vary.

As far as the "other kids not playing with me"?

1) I could care less if the Progs play with me or not;
2) The reason the Progs don't play with me is because they get tired of having their asses handed to them in an even argument.

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