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Rps Sep 11th, 2017 09:23 PM

Years and years ago when I was in college, we were taught that when you were at work you should never talk about politics, religion and sex......to this list one could easily add education. It is a topic everyone seems to have opinions on. But, regardless of your opinion, education has always come down to two fundamental issues......Implementing Ryerson's " hidden agenda" and someone today determines what someone else in the future will need to know.

Dr.G. Sep 11th, 2017 10:07 PM

Somewhat true, Rp. Still, effective teachers help students learn how to think and not what to think. Still, I agree that it is hard to buck the trend of centralized curricular. Paix, mon ami.

Macfury Sep 12th, 2017 12:21 AM

I would say that imbuing students with a deliberately narrow range of leftist ideology now passes for "teaching students to think."

eMacMan Sep 12th, 2017 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfury (Post 2541505)
I would say that imbuing students with a deliberately narrow range of leftist ideology now passes for "teaching students to think."

I would make that any ideology. The student needs to develop the tools to chose his own vision. Anything else is essentially doing the homework for the student.

Macfury Sep 12th, 2017 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by eMacMan (Post 2541513)
I would make that any ideology. The student needs to develop the tools to chose his own vision. Anything else is essentially doing the homework for the student.

However, today it's leftist.

Dr.G. Sep 12th, 2017 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfury (Post 2541505)
I would say that imbuing students with a deliberately narrow range of leftist ideology now passes for "teaching students to think."

Who does that, Macfury? I know I never did and I taught social studies. You can't generalize like that and expect it to be accepted as the truth. Paix, mon ami.

Dr.G. Sep 12th, 2017 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by eMacMan (Post 2541513)
I would make that any ideology. The student needs to develop the tools to chose his own vision. Anything else is essentially doing the homework for the student.

Very good point, Bob. This enables each student to have the means to learn on his or her own in the future, and to be able to become critical thinkers. Paix, mon ami.

Dr.G. Sep 12th, 2017 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfury (Post 2541521)
However, today it's leftist.

You say tomato, I say potato ............. Just because you say something does not necessarily make it true. Paix, mon ami.


Macfury Sep 12th, 2017 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr.G. (Post 2541569)
Who does that, Macfury? I know I never did and I taught social studies. You can't generalize like that and expect it to be accepted as the truth. Paix, mon ami.

I have watched it repeatedly in the Toronto area. Students are graded poorly if they interpret a novel outside of the approved ideology, for example. All history is taught through a leftist lens.

Rps Sep 12th, 2017 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfury (Post 2541505)
I would say that imbuing students with a deliberately narrow range of leftist ideology now passes for "teaching students to think."

The issue that I see is not ideology, I mean we all live one whether we recognise it or not, but being able to think about issues. Unfortunately from lower grades to high school students are essentially told to " listen" and when they enter college or university are expected to think......and it is a brave teacher who challenges that model. We also need to focus on core competencies...these will never change and provide a framework from which students can develop critical thinking skills to be used their entire life.


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