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Freddie_Biff Sep 16th, 2017 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by screature (Post 2544649)
Climate change is real. It has been the case since the beginning of time, it only makes logical sense. We are definitely live during a period of climate change. Now as to whether or not we amplify those changes has yet to be proven. But definitively we are living in a period of significant climate change.



So it could be all natural, just the way things are and have always been. But things are not as "they have always been" since the industrial and technological revolutions. I cannot see how any logical person could not see that we as a species have affected the climate of the world, if anyone knows something about quantum physics to say the least.



Now as to whether or not we are taking the correct choice to alleviate the effects of climate change for OUR OWN GOOD if highly debatable. But what what I would suggest is that we not only think about our own good when we think about such matters, but we think about the good of this beautiful blue marble, like no other that we know of, floating through space and time.



Good points, Steve, but permit me to make one observation. We also have to be careful of the "post hoc; ergo propter hoc" argument—which translates to "after this; therefore because of this." Many observable changes in climate do seem to have occurred since the Industrial Revolution, but that does not prove that the Industrial Revolution caused them. It could be a coincidence. More evidence that X causes Y would be helpful, as opposed to synchronicity type reasoning. However, it stands to reason just as a general principle that if we don't clean up after ourselves, there are consequences (smog, plastic particles in the ocean, for example). It would be best for us and for the planet to be good stewards, I would think.

FeXL Sep 16th, 2017 02:58 PM

Bring this over to the GHG thread. Let's talk about it.

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Originally Posted by screature (Post 2544649)
But definitively we are living in a period of significant climate change.


Freddie_Biff Sep 16th, 2017 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rps (Post 2544705)
So.......as this is a thread about education......how would you teach a series on climate change......and while I believe a teacher can help inform students with an opinion......when would you draw the line on implanting your beliefs . Depending on the age of your students, many might hold your beliefs as a truth......and in many areas our views are only our views and not truths. But then again a truth today tends to be a generally accepted belief. And as history has shown, often written by the winners.



There is never a time when a teacher is not passing on his or her beliefs to students, even involuntarily. If you try to be objective and non-opinionated, already you are passing on the belief that objectivity is better than opinion. As far as climate change goes, the best one can do is examine as many viewpoints as possible before coming to some kind of conclusion. Most often students will parrot their parents' views, like with religion or politics, and the teacher's role (I believe) is to show that there's a bigger world out there and beliefs with which they may not yet be familiar. That in itself is also a belief, but I think it's a healthy one.

Rps Sep 16th, 2017 03:22 PM

Frank, I think this depends on the grade you teach. At lower levels students expect " an answer", at the higher levels there is room for discussion, at the highest levels we call the discussion research. MacFury and others have commented on the political slant curricula can take...climate change being one such topic. In my day it was Louis Riel, today it's climate change, tomorrow who knows.

Freddie_Biff Sep 16th, 2017 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rps (Post 2544753)
Frank, I think this depends on the grade you teach. At lower levels students expect " an answer", at the higher levels there is room for discussion, at the highest levels we call the discussion research. MacFury and others have commented on the political slant curricula can take...climate change being one such topic. In my day it was Louis Riel, today it's climate change, tomorrow who knows.



You're right. Was Louis Riel a traitor or a hero? Depends who's asking. I do believe, however, that the power to explore multiple viewpoints should not be limited to only higher grades. It can be simplified, of course, but children in my experience have the capacity to look at issues from more than one perspective. Heck, it might help them to understand each other better when they're older if they start looking at different points of view while they're young.

Rps Sep 16th, 2017 04:09 PM

I do not disagree...it is how it is presented. The recent elections might have generated a topic such as " is it better to be a business person or a politician as President or Prime Minister." this could have interesting discussions without political bias ( but the teacher would have to work at it ).

Freddie_Biff Sep 16th, 2017 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rps (Post 2544769)
I do not disagree...it is how it is presented. The recent elections might have generated a topic such as " is it better to be a business person or a politician as President or Prime Minister." this could have interesting discussions without political bias ( but the teacher would have to work at it ).



An interesting view an an interesting question. It is really difficult to be completely unbiased, and I certainly know many teachers whose views span the entire political spectrum. It would be naive to think all teachers are lefties, for example, even if our jobs are public sector. To be an unbiased mediator of discussions can be done, but it takes great vigilance.

Dr.G. Sep 16th, 2017 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rps (Post 2544705)
So.......as this is a thread about education......how would you teach a series on climate change......and while I believe a teacher can help inform students with an opinion......when would you draw the line on implanting your beliefs . Depending on the age of your students, many might hold your beliefs as a truth......and in many areas our views are only our views and not truths. But then again a truth today tends to be a generally accepted belief. And as history has shown, often written by the winners.

Valid points, Rp. :clap:

Dr.G. Sep 16th, 2017 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Freddie_Biff (Post 2544737)
There is never a time when a teacher is not passing on his or her beliefs to students, even involuntarily. If you try to be objective and non-opinionated, already you are passing on the belief that objectivity is better than opinion. As far as climate change goes, the best one can do is examine as many viewpoints as possible before coming to some kind of conclusion. Most often students will parrot their parents' views, like with religion or politics, and the teacher's role (I believe) is to show that there's a bigger world out there and beliefs with which they may not yet be familiar. That in itself is also a belief, but I think it's a healthy one.

Also valid points, Frank.

Dr.G. Sep 16th, 2017 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rps (Post 2544769)
I do not disagree...it is how it is presented. The recent elections might have generated a topic such as " is it better to be a business person or a politician as President or Prime Minister." this could have interesting discussions without political bias ( but the teacher would have to work at it ).

More valid points.


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