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FeXL Jun 13th, 2015 02:03 PM

The Alberta NDP Thread
 
Thought I'd put up a thread to keep track of the pinko commie bastards. ;) (For easy access & future referral...)

Oh, look who Rachel hired to be Chief of Staff for our Energy Minister!

Ezra Levant: Meet Alberta’s new colonial chiefs

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A Toronto anti-oilsands activist – still registered as an anti-oil lobbyist – is now running Alberta’s energy department.
What could possibly go wrong?

Not only that, but:

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There are twelve ministers in the Alberta cabinet, including Notley herself, each with a chief of staff. And ten of those chiefs are, like Mitchell, NDP activists from other provinces, many of whom will commute each week to Alberta from Vancouver, Toronto, or elsewhere.
M'bold.

Nice. First off, any guesses who foots the travel bill?

Second:

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There is something weirdly colonial about non-residents being sent in to run a province to which they have few or no ties. It feels as if the NDP believes Alberta lacks people with talent and judgment to govern themselves. It feels nepotistic – highly paid consolation prizes for failed NDP activists from other campaigns.

Like Nathan Rotman. He worked on Olivia Chow’s unsuccessful campaign for Toronto mayor. Now he’s the chief of staff to Alberta’s Finance Minister.

Was there no-one in Alberta with any financial background? No socially conscious businessman, or even an NDP-friendly professor or think tank economist? Four million Albertans, but not one who understands Alberta’s fiscal situation better than an Olivia Chow door-knocker?
M'bold.

Yep...

Further:

Wildrose charges NDP energy minister's top staffer was anti-pipeline lobbyist

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The Wildrose Party says it’s a troubling sign that the NDP energy minister’s top staffer was registered as a federal lobbyist for an organization opposed to pipeline projects proposed to ship Alberta oilsands crude.

heavyall Jun 13th, 2015 02:39 PM

I'm not sure what anyone expected. It's not as if Albertans can claim that nobody warned them.

Macfury Jun 13th, 2015 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by heavyall (Post 1978993)
I'm not sure what anyone expected. It's not as if Albertans can claim that nobody warned them.

What can you say? This election is a classic cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

CubaMark Jun 13th, 2015 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeXL (Post 1978945)
Thought I'd put up a thread to keep track of the pinko commie bastards. ;) (For easy access & future referral...)

Oh, look who Rachel hired to be Chief of Staff for our Energy Minister!

Heh... and had you performed the same kinds of analyses on the previous governments' staffers, to see who was aligned with the oil industry / lobbyists / etc. ? Or do you only call out potential bias when it conflicts with your own position on oil-as-godliness ?

We wouldn't want to move into the realm of hypocrisy, now would we?

Macfury Jun 13th, 2015 03:14 PM

Why make your point so badly, CM? You would want someone who had industry experience, but not someone who antagonizes the constituents of the portfolio out of the gate.

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Originally Posted by CubaMark (Post 1979049)
Heh... and had you performed the same kinds of analyses on the previous governments' staffers, to see who was aligned with the oil industry / lobbyists / etc. ? Or do you only call out potential bias when it conflicts with your own position on oil-as-godliness ?

We wouldn't want to move into the realm of hypocrisy, now would we?


SINC Jun 13th, 2015 03:29 PM

There is little doubt that there are those who are more than qualified, who are indeed Albertans who could easily do a good job for the NDP if hired. Trouble is, the NDP, so far detached from the mainstream of Alberta politics with just a handful of members for dozens of years, simply do not know who they are or who to approach to find them. That leads them to approach only known NDP loyalists from out of province to tell us how to run our own province. This is a political botch job by the NDP which given their inexperience, should not be unexpected. They are a one-shot, one-time 'protest phenomena' in Alberta who methinks will be reduced back to their original ranks come next election.

Macfury Jun 13th, 2015 03:47 PM

Of course they will be decimated--but they are going to be as destructive as possible during their time in office. Hopefully, Alberta will get a Mike Harris to put things back in order.

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Originally Posted by SINC (Post 1979081)
They are a one-shot, one-time 'protest phenomena' in Alberta who methinks will be reduced back to their original ranks come next election.


FeXL Jun 13th, 2015 08:59 PM

If you are serious about engaging the topic, then I have this question for you: Do you think that Graham Mitchell is the best fit for the position & why/why not?

If this is another of your great steaming loads deposited in the middle of a thread, with no intent to follow up on any rebuttal points made (a la MacDoc), bugger off.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CubaMark (Post 1979049)
Heh... and had you performed the same kinds of analyses on the previous governments' staffers, to see who was aligned with the oil industry / lobbyists / etc. ?


Macfury Jun 13th, 2015 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeXL (Post 1979185)
If this is another of your great steaming loads deposited in the middle of a thread, with no intent to follow up on any rebuttal points made (a la MacDoc), bugger off.

I have pretty much given up any hope of CM actually engaging in a discussion on most of his posts. I've been pretty careful to ask him if he understands the subject well enough to engage in a discussion if I prepare a rebuttal.

Hasn't answered once.

CubaMark Jun 14th, 2015 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeXL (Post 1979185)
If you are serious about engaging the topic, then I have this question for you: Do you think that Graham Mitchell is the best fit for the position & why/why not?

No idea who Mitchell is. That wasn't my point.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeXL (Post 1979185)
If this is another of your great steaming loads deposited in the middle of a thread, with no intent to follow up on any rebuttal points made (a la MacDoc), bugger off.

What "great steaming load"? I simply asked a question: have you held previous staffers to the same test of character that you are now applying to the NDP?

If not, you're simply a hypocrite.

CubaMark Jun 14th, 2015 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macfury (Post 1979217)
I have pretty much given up any hope of CM actually engaging in a discussion on most of his posts. I've been pretty careful to ask him if he understands the subject well enough to engage in a discussion if I prepare a rebuttal.

Hasn't answered once.

Hah! I've answered plenty. But there comes a point when banging one's head against a wall becomes counterproductive. I do this much more, I risk permanent brain injury.

I am not obligated in any way to go ad nauseum with people who cannot be reasoned with. If you don't like my "great steaming loads" as FeXL states, you are more than welcome to block me. I promise not to be offended.

Macfury Jun 14th, 2015 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CubaMark (Post 1979281)
Hah! I've answered plenty. But there comes a point when banging one's head against a wall becomes counterproductive. I do this much more, I risk permanent brain injury.

You answer, but often with nothing substantive. I've praised you whenever you do. If you equate offering tired, overused memes with banging one's head against the wall, I see your point.

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Originally Posted by CubaMark (Post 1979281)
If you don't like my "great steaming loads" as FeXL states, you are more than welcome to block me. I promise not to be offended.

I simply don't block people. How else can I point out their great steaming loads? And what if you occasionally pass a niblet of corn and I miss it?

CubaMark Jun 14th, 2015 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfury (Post 1979289)
I've praised you whenever you do.

Oh, Master! I *live* for those moments! Praise me! Praise me! :love2:

Macfury Jun 14th, 2015 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CubaMark (Post 1979401)
Oh, Master! I *live* for those moments! Praise me! Praise me! :love2:

This is the thing. If I give you praise on request, it would lose its value.

gwillikers Jun 15th, 2015 12:09 AM

The Hey Let's Crap On the Alberta NDP Thread would have been a less disingenuous title. :lmao:

BigDL Jun 15th, 2015 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by gwillikers (Post 1979833)
The Hey Let's Crap On the Alberta NDP Thread would have been a less disingenuous title. :lmao:

:lmao: :lmao:

Where's that dang 'LIKE' button when you need it?

Macfury Jun 15th, 2015 12:28 AM

Be honest. If the thread had featured that title, we wouldn't have you good folk busy listing all of the grand things Notley is doing for the province!

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Originally Posted by gwillikers (Post 1979833)
The Hey Let's Crap On the Alberta NDP Thread would have been a less disingenuous title. :lmao:

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Originally Posted by BigDL (Post 1979841)
:lmao: :lmao:

Where's that dang 'LIKE' button when you need it?


FeXL Jun 15th, 2015 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CubaMark (Post 1979273)
No idea who Mitchell is. That wasn't my point.

Fair enough.

First off, I performed no "analysis" on any gov't staffers. This was done by a journalist & I merely read & linked the article.

Second, I have no idea how many previous staffers were hired as patronage appointments from out of province. I never read of any, save one.

Third, the one I am aware of was some idiot imported from Ontario to head up Alberta's health reform a number of years back. If memory serves, he talked much, spent a ton of taxpayers money, achieved very little in a positive form, was over-compensated for what he did accomplish & left with a sizeable bonus. Judging from our current state of health care, he did a bang up job...

Is the /sarc required here?

Now, a question for you:

Is it wise to hire someone from out of your petroleum-rich province, who has a record of lobbying against oil, to be part of your energy sector portfolio?

eMacMan Jun 15th, 2015 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeXL (Post 1979937)
Fair enough.

First off, I performed no "analysis" on any gov't staffers. This was done by a journalist & I merely read & linked the article.

Second, I have no idea how many previous staffers were hired as patronage appointments from out of province. I never read of any, save one.

Third, the one I am aware of was some idiot imported from Ontario to head up Alberta's health reform a number of years back. If memory serves, he talked much, spent a ton of taxpayers money, achieved very little in a positive form, was over-compensated for what he did accomplish & left with a sizeable bonus. Judging from our current state of health care, he did a bang up job...

Is the /sarc required here?

Now, a question for you:

Is it wise to hire someone from out of your petroleum-rich province, who has a record of lobbying against oil, to be part of your energy sector portfolio?

There are a ton of energy savvy individuals in the province. Ideally I would like to see someone who is neither aligned with Big Oil or passionately opposed to the same. The reason for this is the responsibility of that individual is not to Big Oil, nor is it to Environmental groups. Ultimately that individual should be responsible to Albertans.

FeXL Jun 15th, 2015 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eMacMan (Post 1979969)
There are a ton of energy savvy individuals in the province.

The optics of hiring an out of province anti-oil lobbyist to the energy portfolio are terrible.

Dr.G. Jun 15th, 2015 08:26 PM

Alberta Throne Speech unveils increase in corporate, personal tax - The Globe and Mail

"The NDP campaigned on a pledge to increase the income tax for those making more than $125,000 to 12 per cent, while also adding a second bracket of 15 per cent for those making more than $300,000."

In Nova Scotia, the 15% rate is for those earning $59,180 or less, and 8.79% for those earning $29,590 or less. Once you hit $150,000 the tax rate is 21%.

Macfury Jun 15th, 2015 09:33 PM

I'll admit that on the face of it, preventing unions from being political donors seems to be a good thing.

Next, she'll rule against employing lobbyists in her government.

Dr.G. Jun 15th, 2015 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfury (Post 1980233)
I'll admit that on the face of it, preventing unions from being political donors seems to be a good thing.

Next, she'll rule against employing lobbyists in her government.

She would be smart to get her ministers to employ AB persons as their chiefs of staff.

eMacMan Jun 15th, 2015 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macfury (Post 1980233)
I'll admit that on the face of it, preventing unions from being political donors seems to be a good thing.

Next, she'll rule against employing lobbyists in her government.

As good as that would be it seems extremely unlikely.

eMacMan Jun 15th, 2015 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeXL (Post 1980065)
The optics of hiring an out of province anti-oil lobbyist to the energy portfolio are terrible.

Agreed!
The job of the Energy department is two-fold. First is to make sure that Albertans get the best possible value for their non-renewable resources. Second is to make sure producers are also treated fairly so they will continue to do business in Alberta and provide employment for Albertans.

One at the expense of the other is no bargain. To sacrifice the provinces biggest economic sector to ideological causes is moronic. This is where participatory democracy can have an impact. The job of the voter does not end with the results of the election. It extends to making sure those MLAs understand that we know who it is that puts food on the table and will hold them to account should they fail to take that into consideration.

I am a firm believer in voters having the right to petition for the recall of any elected official. There is no other way to ensure that those we pay to represent us will do just that rather than representing the view of their party or their parties corporate master.

FeXL Jun 16th, 2015 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.G. (Post 1980241)
She would be smart to get her ministers to employ AB persons as their chiefs of staff.

Bingo!

FeXL Jun 19th, 2015 12:51 PM

Jack M. Mintz: Alberta’s bad plays

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Yet, many politicians fall into the trap of promising foolish polices during an election if it can garner sufficient support to win. The difficulty comes in facing the music after the election. Either they must slither out of their promises or forge ahead, with potentially bad consequences undermining their popularity and future winability.
Further:

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Take the seemingly innocuous corporate tax hike from 10 to 12 per cent. This will increase Alberta’s federal-provincial effective corporate tax rate on non-resource new investments from 17 to 18.6 per cent, making it the fourth highest in Canada and 17th highest of 44 OECD countries. Even hard-pressed Ontario and Quebec will have a more tax-competitive environment for manufacturing, forestry and service sectors than Alberta. I estimate Alberta’s capital stock will decline by $9.2 billion in several years as a result of the corporate tax increase alone. Imagine what royalty hikes and other policies will do in terms of investment and jobs once they are determined.

If the corporate tax hike were to lead to gobbles of new revenue for an Alberta that is busily pumping up promised spending, it might make sense. However, with the disastrous decline in corporate profits and investment, and income-shifting to lower-taxed global jurisdictions, Alberta will raise little revenue. Based on different results from various economics studies on profit-shifting that is easy to financially structure, Alberta will raise somewhere between $50 and $210 million. No wonder most economists argue that corporate taxes are the worse funding source for public services. Little revenue is gained, with a signal to investors to go elsewhere.
M'bold.

Good read.

fjnmusic Jun 19th, 2015 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeXL (Post 1978945)
Thought I'd put up a thread to keep track of the pinko commie bastards. ;) (For easy access & future referral...)



Oh, look who Rachel hired to be Chief of Staff for our Energy Minister!



Ezra Levant: Meet Alberta’s new colonial chiefs







What could possibly go wrong?



Not only that, but:







M'bold.



Nice. First off, any guesses who foots the travel bill?



Second:







M'bold.



Yep...



Further:



Wildrose charges NDP energy minister's top staffer was anti-pipeline lobbyist


Should you perhaps have called this the "Alberta NDP Bashing Thread", since your agenda is pretty obvious from word one. I take it this is NOT a discussion or debate thread about the policies of those pinko commie bastards.


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FeXL Jun 19th, 2015 02:13 PM

Just to address all the critics out there who think that this is nothing but an NDP bashing thread. Pretty easy to be critical of a thread title but, thus far, ain't been much positive said about the Alberta NDP by all the NDP supporters on these boards. Mostly crickets...

My agenda, if I even have one, is to expose what I perceive as crappy gov't at any & all levels. Provincially, I wasn't happy with Stelmach, Queenie, Prentice, Smith after she changed party policy to pander to the city voters & especially after she crossed the floor and when she stated she believed in AGW, my own MLA for crossing the floor & others. I have voiced those concerns on various threads on these boards over the years.

As we are currently flying the orange flag, it's the NDP that are now under the microscope. I have seen what the NDP have done to the economies of BC, Saskatchewan & Ontario & want no part of that for Alberta. Can a leopard change its spots?

I have little faith in their leader & even less in a number of the MLA's who have little to no experience in governing their own lives, let alone a province. I reserve the right to be pleasantly surprised.

I welcome any attempts by anybody to justify some of the asinine things they have already done. Please, feel free. You can start by defending the appointment of Graham Mitchell, from the OP & the reason I started this thread.

And, to illustrate that it's not all criticism, I do endorse their move to maintain education spending to the end of the agreement period, unlike what the PC's were going to do & freeze spending.

Thus far, it's the only positive for me. Got something positive to say about 'em? This is the thread.

Gonna be a long 4 years...

Quote:

Originally Posted by fjnmusic (Post 1982321)
Should you perhaps have called this the "Alberta NDP Bashing Thread", since your agenda is pretty obvious from word one. I take it this is NOT a discussion or debate thread about the policies of those pinko commie bastards.


SINC Jun 19th, 2015 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fjnmusic (Post 1982321)
Should you perhaps have called this the "Alberta NDP Bashing Thread", since your agenda is pretty obvious from word one. I take it this is NOT a discussion or debate thread about the policies of those pinko commie bastards.

You gotta stop taking things so personal Frank, you wear your allegiances on your sleeve.

I speak from experience as I had the misfortune to live through two NDP governments in two different provinces and watched the dunderheads destroy the economy of both provinces.

I have little doubt they willl do the same to Alberta and their minimum wage policy is the beginning of the end.

See how happy you are with your chosen amateurs in four years when you and all Albertans will have suffered enough to toss them out as quickly as 'Albertans in a hissy fit' put them in.

The election was no show of support for the pinkos, it was a direct kick in the ass for the PCs and nothing more that we will surely live to regret.

Macfury Jun 19th, 2015 03:38 PM

I've already supported the Alberta NDP's move to end union donations to political parties, so it isn't all bashing--it's just the majority of their decisions that deserve bashing.

fjnmusic Jun 19th, 2015 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeXL (Post 1982353)
Just to address all the critics out there who think that this is nothing but an NDP bashing thread. Pretty easy to be critical of a thread title but, thus far, ain't been much positive said about the Alberta NDP by all the NDP supporters on these boards. Mostly crickets...



My agenda, if I even have one, is to expose what I perceive as crappy gov't at any & all levels. Provincially, I wasn't happy with Stelmach, Queenie, Prentice, Smith after she changed party policy to pander to the city voters & especially after she crossed the floor and when she stated she believed in AGW, my own MLA for crossing the floor & others. I have voiced those concerns on various threads on these boards over the years.



As we are currently flying the orange flag, it's the NDP that are now under the microscope. I have seen what the NDP have done to the economies of BC, Saskatchewan & Ontario & want no part of that for Alberta. Can a leopard change its spots?



I have little faith in their leader & even less in a number of the MLA's who have little to no experience in governing their own lives, let alone a province. I reserve the right to be pleasantly surprised.



I welcome any attempts by anybody to justify some of the asinine things they have already done. Please, feel free. You can start by defending the appointment of Graham Mitchell, from the OP & the reason I started this thread.



And, to illustrate that it's not all criticism, I do endorse their move to maintain education spending to the end of the agreement period, unlike what the PC's were going to do & freeze spending.



Thus far, it's the only positive for me. Got something positive to say about 'em? This is the thread.



Gonna be a long 4 years...


Can a leopard change its spots? It's not the same leopard. Might even be a cougar.

As a teacher who has seen the damage inflicted, especially morale-wise, but successive self-serving PC governments in this province, I welcome the change. Will the NDP be great after four years? Hard to say, but they couldn't be much worse than the robber barons that have been running the place since I was 6 years old. Under Lougheed there was hope, which eventually become entitlement. Anyhoo, I don't think it's going to be a mere 4 years. The PC's are done in this province, and Alberta tends to favor establishing long-serving gov'ts over transitional ones.


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fjnmusic Jun 19th, 2015 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SINC (Post 1982369)
You gotta stop taking things so personal Frank, you wear your allegiances on your sleeve.



I speak from experience as I had the misfortune to live through two NDP governments in two different provinces and watched the dunderheads destroy the economy of both provinces.



I have little doubt they willl do the same to Alberta and their minimum wage policy is the beginning of the end.



See how happy you are with your chosen amateurs in four years when you and all Albertans will have suffered enough to toss them out as quickly as 'Albertans in a hissy fit' put them in.



The election was no show of support for the pinkos, it was a direct kick in the ass for the PCs and nothing more that we will surely live to regret.


"Some say the glass is half-empty, some say the glass is half-full. I say the glass is too big." – George Carlin


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Macfury Jun 19th, 2015 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fjnmusic (Post 1982681)
The PC's are done in this province...

Seriously?

FeXL Jun 19th, 2015 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fjnmusic (Post 1982681)
Can a leopard change its spots? It's not the same leopard. Might even be a cougar.

<snort> That's funny. I like that. Especially in light of how many "foreign" chiefs of staff are being imported from outside Alberta? From provinces with NDP history? SSDP...

Quote:

Originally Posted by fjnmusic (Post 1982681)
As a teacher who has seen the damage inflicted, especially morale-wise, but successive self-serving PC governments in this province, I welcome the change. Will the NDP be great after four years? Hard to say, but they couldn't be much worse than the robber barons that have been running the place since I was 6 years old.

I disagree. It could be much worse & I predict that it will. Education & Health Care will be two topics that are kept in a positive light, largely because most of us can relate to them. However, it will be on the backs of taxpayers to finance the spending spree.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fjnmusic (Post 1982681)
Under Lougheed there was hope, which eventually become entitlement. Anyhoo, I don't think it's going to be a mere 4 years. The PC's are done in this province, and Alberta tends to favor establishing long-serving gov'ts over transitional ones.

I didn't mind Ralph, either. Even towards the end I felt hope. Since then, not so much.

I agree, the PC's are done. Long overdue, deservedly so & brought upon themselves.

I'm not convinced that the NDP will be here for more than one term, however. They have no experience at running the province, many of them are young & have no managerial knowledge or experience whatsoever. Some of them have never even held a real job. Some how they need to rise to the occasion, some of them need to grow up, all need to learn how to do their job & execute it in a fashion that gets them re-elected, all in less than four years time. Tall order.

I believe that the NDP decision to push the budget announcement back to this fall is at least partly related to the timing of the federal election & they don't want to announce anything which may "upset" Mulcair's apple cart.

FeXL Jun 19th, 2015 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macfury (Post 1982705)
Seriously?

I agree. I think they are. They carry the stink of this past election like a herd of skunks. Without massive reformation & fresh branding, they're toast. Wildrose needs to step up, take advantage of the PC's weakness & prove they're the only credible alternative on the right.

fjnmusic Jun 19th, 2015 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macfury (Post 1982705)
Seriously?


Yup. Count 'em. Even their great leader threw in the towel before the election was even over!


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Macfury Jun 20th, 2015 12:11 AM

Many would have thought the same thing following the Kim Campbell rout.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fjnmusic (Post 1982745)
Yup. Count 'em. Even their great leader threw in the towel before the election was even over!


screature Jun 20th, 2015 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fjnmusic (Post 1982681)
... The PC's are done in this province...

You are dreaming in Technicolor.

screature Jun 20th, 2015 01:05 AM

duplicate. :o


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