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Macfury Oct 31st, 2015 04:55 PM

Oil prices will go up again, but the industry in Alberta will not recover because of what Notley is doing today.

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Originally Posted by fjnmusic (Post 2077401)
Because the previous plan worked SO well. Please, Lord, send me another oil boom and I PROMISE I won't squander it like the PC's did last time.


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SINC Oct 31st, 2015 05:34 PM

Tsk, tsk.

GUNTER: Notley increasing spending as Albertans lose jobs | | Calgary Sun

FeXL Oct 31st, 2015 08:20 PM

Curious, the NDP doesn't need an oil boom to squander away other people's money...

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Originally Posted by fjnmusic (Post 2077401)
Because the previous plan worked SO well. Please, Lord, send me another oil boom and I PROMISE I won't squander it like the PC's did last time.


SINC Oct 31st, 2015 11:52 PM

Why Alberta's NDP budget will likely make the province rely even more on oil and gas

fjnmusic Nov 1st, 2015 08:37 PM

9.5 million litres of water each year to one family farm for a generation due to an industry F up. Still think water isn't the most precious resource we have?
http://edmontonjournal.com/storyline...arby-gas-plant


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Macfury Nov 1st, 2015 09:07 PM

Yes I still think that's true.

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Originally Posted by fjnmusic (Post 2078121)
9.5 million litres of water each year to one family farm for a generation due to an industry F up. Still think water isn't the most precious resource we have?
Alberta’s energy regulator has ordered water delivery to an Edson family farm contaminated by a nearby gas plant | Edmonton Journal


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fjnmusic Nov 2nd, 2015 11:40 AM

Don't blame Notley; she's fixing Klein's mess.

http://edmontonjournal.com/storyline...ng-kleins-mess


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SINC Nov 2nd, 2015 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by fjnmusic (Post 2078457)

Did you notice, like I did, that the author of that piece wrote it in the first person but didn't have the courage to sign his or her name to the opinion. And that is all it is, one person's opinion. Further when it is published in The Journal by an unidentified person, it is the lowest form of journalism and without credibility.

FeXL Nov 2nd, 2015 02:18 PM

I believe the term "Yellow Journalism" defines it quite well.

The whole story is typical progressive bull$h!t. Blame preceding governments for today's issues, even though they haven't been in power for years. Ralph hasn't been Premier since 2006 yet the current state of the economy is somehow all his fault? Sounds like the same rallying cry one hears from the States: "But, but, but... BUSH!!!", despite the fact that no Bush has been in power for more than 8 years now.

What a crock.

The paragraph that stuck out for me was this little gem:

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Remember those heady days when Ralph Klein was crowing about slaying the debt? At what cost, fellow Albertans? Did amnesia arrive along with the flu this fall? It was at the cost of schools, health care, infrastructure maintenance and construction, and services to the most vulnerable — children, the sick, the elderly, the disabled and the poor.
M'bold & the part I'm going to address.

On Alberta education ("schools"):

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British Columbia, Ontario, and Alberta are the top performers among all the provinces
Well, so much for the damage done to Alberta schools.

On health care (from 2014):

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With new figures that show Alberta still spending nearly 20 per cent more than the national average on health care...
Contrary to what the anonymous author noted, health care spending was not the issue. Efficiency? Absolutely! Shortage of money? Not a chance. And, if Rachel figgers that throwing more money at the same problem without making any changes will make the problem go away, she's just as clueless as her 3 priors...

So much for the shortage of health care spending myth.

On infrastructure. When I hear the word infrastructure, I think of things like roads & highways, schools, hospitals.

I drive & ride a lot, all over southern BC, southern & central Alberta, southern Saskatchewan, northern Washington, northern Idaho & all over Montana. None of those areas has roads as nice as Alberta's. Period. I don't know about the respective spending, I don't care. The proof is in the pudding.

As to construction & maintenance of schools, I'll go by what I see locally. Photographing sporting events & chasing my littluns all over southern Alberta, there are few schools which have not received massive recent (< 12 years old) upgrades. Any who have not yet received upgrades have been scheduled to do so or are in the middle of them. There have also been a number of new schools built in the area.

As to construction of hospitals, there is currently a massive addition to the Lethbridge Regional underway & a new hospital was recently built in SE Calgary. Now, while I don't like the fact that most local municipalities lost their hospitals, in the face of that, newer, bigger, better centralized facilities is the next best thing & obviously it is happening.

So much for Alberta's infrastructure collapsing.

That debunks the first 3 of the 4 points the author utilizes as examples. As to the last, the author does not detail what "services" they are specifically talking about but merely use the phrase as a talking point (Oh, think of the children...). As such, I'll leave the point lost in it's ambiguity.

The author is all over the map with blame, as well. It's all Klein's fault, yet they talk about:

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We, the Albertans of today, are the future generations for the folks who lived here in, say, the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s. When was the last time anyone grumbled about the fiscal state the Albertans of those times left us? Who’s even aware of what those long-ago governments presented in their budgets?
Funny, if memory serves, those were the years of Social Credit domination in Alberta. Is that somehow Klein's fault, too?

A final point: Curious thing about Klein, he was able to balance the budget on $35/barrel oil, too...

BigDL Nov 2nd, 2015 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SINC (Post 2078473)
Did you notice, like I did, that the author of that piece wrote it in the first person but didn't have the courage to sign his or her name to the opinion. And that is all it is, one person's opinion. Further when it is published in The Journal by an unidentified person, it is the lowest form of journalism and without credibility.

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Originally Posted by Edmonton Journal
As you all know, the NDP government budget came out this week. Plunging oil prices and declining corporate income tax revenues will take a $7.3 billion-sized bite out of the provincial treasury, but rather than scale back spending, the province will take on more debt. As Calgary Herald columnist Naomig Lakritz argues, the spending in the budget is “a welcome change.”

I'm not sure if reading acuity or reading comprehension is called into question but the above quote came from the linked article. So what level of journalism is attained now that we know the views of Naomig Lakritz of the Calgary Herald ?


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