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fjnmusic Jun 20th, 2015 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfury (Post 1982825)
Many would have thought the same thing following the Kim Campbell rout.


Kim Campbell WAS the last PC prime minister. After that it was this strange affiliation of Conservative Reform Alliance Party people (CRAP for short) that eventually coalesced under the "Conservative" banner, but there has not been another Progressive ConServative party to govern since. Today's C's have much more in common with their Reform roots, which is why they are really beginning to **** people off.


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fjnmusic Jun 20th, 2015 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by screature (Post 1982833)
You are dreaming in Technicolor.


Do you live in Alberta? We here are loyal to a fault. We do not switch governments capriciously and we for vote the old one out very often. 4 times only in our 110 year history.


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Macfury Jun 20th, 2015 03:47 AM

1. Today, most people don't even know what the Reform Party was.
2. People are not suddenly discovering this,
3. Stephen Harper is more "progressive" today than he was 10 year ago.

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Originally Posted by fjnmusic (Post 1982857)
Kim Campbell WAS the last PC prime minister. After that it was this strange affiliation of Conservative Reform Alliance Party people (CRAP for short) that eventually coalesced under the "Conservative" banner, but there has not been another Progressive ConServative party to govern since. Today's C's have much more in common with their Reform roots, which is why they are really beginning to **** people off.


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SINC Jun 20th, 2015 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by fjnmusic (Post 1982865)
Do you live in Alberta? We here are loyal to a fault. We do not switch governments capriciously and we for vote the old one out very often. 4 times only in our 110 year history.

C'mon now, face reality. We didn't vote for a party, we voted to punish a party. That is the real truth. ;)

fjnmusic Jun 20th, 2015 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SINC (Post 1982889)
C'mon now, face reality. We didn't vote for a party, we voted to punish a party. That is the real truth. ;)


And in 1971, people voted to punish the Socreds. And they did punish them
very well. 😝😝


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heavyall Jun 20th, 2015 10:37 PM

This Conservative party did come out of the Reform party, but the similarities end there. They have far more in common with the old PCs than they do with Reform on any issue.

Macfury Jun 20th, 2015 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by heavyall (Post 1983266)
This Conservative party did come out of the Reform party, but the similarities end there. They have far more in common with the old PCs than they do with Reform on any issue.

If I had to choose between Reform and Conservative, I would vote Reform hands down.

fjnmusic Jun 21st, 2015 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by heavyall (Post 1983266)
This Conservative party did come out of the Reform party, but the similarities end there. They have far more in common with the old PCs than they do with Reform on any issue.


I believe Peter MacKay, the man who sold the PC party down the river after promising not to, was the last man left if the original guard, and he's leaving like so many other rats when they abandon ship. Ain't no P in PC for a long time now, and there ain't much C left either. What you have is Harper's new vision for Canada: a Reform turned Alliance disguised as a Conservative party running the country with little to no accountability.


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Macfury Jun 21st, 2015 10:53 AM

Actually, that isn't what I see at all.

It is somewhat "pogressive"--which is to say, going in the wrong direction. It is somewhat "conservative"--but not enough--and still makes far more sense than either the Liberals or NDP. It is accountable--but not to socialists such as yourself--because the party does not share your worldview, except by chance.


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Originally Posted by fjnmusic (Post 1983282)
I believe Peter MacKay, the man who sold the PC party down the river after promising not to, was the last man left if the original guard, and he's leaving like so many other rats when they abandon ship. Ain't no P in PC for a long time now, and there ain't much C left either. What you have is Harper's new vision for Canada: a Reform turned Alliance disguised as a Conservative party running the country with little to no accountability.


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fjnmusic Jun 21st, 2015 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfury (Post 1983410)
Actually, that isn't what I see at all.



It is somewhat "pogressive"--which is to say, going in the wrong direction. It is somewhat "conservative"--but not enough--and still makes far more sense than either the Liberals or NDP. It is accountable--but not to socialists such as yourself--because the party does not share your worldview, except by chance.


If it was so accountable, why on earth is Harper so afraid of media scrums? And why is he so afraid to participate in a televised leaders' debate with the other leaders in a format Canadians have used since the Dawn if television in Canada? If this is your idea of "accountable" then I'm not sure you're using the same definition as the rest of the world. Attachment 57762


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