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Old Feb 9th, 2015, 11:52 AM   #31
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Just a question FeXL. I Googled MSM news and could find nothing. Did you perhaps mean MSN? If so maybe edit the title of the thread for accuracy.
Oakbridge nailed it. Main Stream Media. It's an abbreviation that is used frequently on right-leaning blogs to describe the Press Corpse.
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Old Feb 9th, 2015, 11:58 AM   #32
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Further on Williams. In addition, he has a date with Letterman this Thursday. Be interesting to see if he keeps it.

Anchorman Lies His Head Off, And You Won’t Believe What Happens Next!

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The move on Saturday, developed in consultation with the NBC brass, was not a thinly disguised suspension. In fact, no one, including NBC News President Deborah Turness, suggested that Williams take time off, this person says.

What’s more, according to the source, NBC is not conducting an internal investigation of its anchor, as has been widely reported. The network is engaging in journalistic fact-gathering so it can respond to questions about the crisis created by Williams’ false story about having been in a helicopter in Iraq that was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade. That means there will be no report with a finding on his conduct, this person says.
Journalistic fact gathering? Well, in that case...

If Williams shows up on the "Late Show",

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Ironically, the anchor will be sitting in the same chair where he told Letterman the false Iraq story in 2013—a clip that has been widely replayed to show that he has repeatedly claimed to have been in the downed Chinook.
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Old Feb 9th, 2015, 12:00 PM   #33
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And, the lighter side...

The Week in Pictures, Supplemental: Brian’s Song Edition

I do like the Frodo one...
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Old Feb 9th, 2015, 02:06 PM   #34
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He has cancelled the Letterman guest spot.
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And, the lighter side...

The Week in Pictures, Supplemental: Brian’s Song Edition

I do like the Frodo one...
The Beatles one should have been crossing the road, or getting off the Pan Am plane at JFK, or standing with them and Sullivan.

Which for those of us that want to feel really old, was 51 years ago this week!
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Old Feb 9th, 2015, 05:17 PM   #36
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He has cancelled the Letterman guest spot.
Ah. There was some speculation he may. Coward...
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Old Feb 9th, 2015, 05:47 PM   #37
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It took me a while to figure it out, I believe MSM could be referring to 'main stream media' although I've never seen that acronym used.

I think the bigger problem is that we no longer have reporters and journalists. We have actors and models who wouldn't know how to 'investigate' a story even if they had an absolute exclusive and there was a Pulitzer if the job was even done half right. (I might even question how many of today's 'newspeople' even know much about the award).

I agree with FeXL. Today's news media has become the 21st century equivalent to standing on the sidewalk and looking up in the sky. Eventually you'll have a crowd of people doing the same. What I mean is that anyone with an Internet account can post something. Often this can be a public relations person. If enough people repeat or refer to that post, it will gain traction. Eventually a recognized news service or network will often report on it. The 'story' grows a life of its own and in some cases becomes the story. Rarely will someone stop and take the time to look for the facts.

I believe a large part of the problem is a result of the 24 hour news stations. Too many hours to fill with content and not enough content.

I also blame our attention spans. In The Big Chill (a movie that is over 30 years old), Jeff Goldblum's character talks about his work writing for People Magazine. I couldn't find the actual quite but it refers to writing stories that were "short enough for people to read while they are sitting on the toilet". Today's 'news' stories are shorter than that.

I remember newspapers that had stories that started on Page 1 and were continued later in the first section, sometimes on multiple pages. I can't remember the last time I read a story that was longer than a few paragraphs. Or one that was worth reading past the first few sentences.
That could be Oakbridge.

I agree whole heartedly with the rest of your post regarding MSM if it means "main stream media".

Did you ever watch Noam Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent (1992)?

If you did then you will know that even way back then he was complaining about the media and their obsessive need for concision.

I am paraphrasing here, but basically one of the things that he said in that movie was that, what he was after was the truth and the truth is not concise; it is complicated, layered and detailed. It cannot be told in a sound bite. That was back in 1992!!!

The age of Twitter must drive him to distraction. Hopefully he is old enough now that he doesn't give a s**t any longer because he has more important matters to attend to now and he can enjoy his "golden" years. He is 86.

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Old Feb 9th, 2015, 06:22 PM   #38
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Oakbridge nailed it. Main Stream Media. It's an abbreviation that is used frequently on right-leaning blogs to describe the Press Corpse.
Ok great. Now that we know what you meant we can dispense with and ignore all the MSN posts.

BTW, those "right-leaning blogs" using MSM as an acronym rank terribly in a Google search. Any mention of MSM or msm referring to "main stream media" only appears on page 3 (I gave up after page 5 as I think most people would) of Google search (at least on my monitor which is large).

And even then it was only in the urbandictionary.com cited in 2004. It seems to have been deprecated from common use since then.

MSM for the general public as per Google refers to:

Methylsulfonylmethane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All that being said, I am glad that we can all be on the same page now.

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Old Feb 9th, 2015, 06:45 PM   #39
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Can't attest to rankings but here are three that use it regularly:

Small Dead Animals - Kate lives in Saskabush near Saskatoon. She's won a couple of "Best Canadian Blog" awards. I find her presentation style refreshing. Canadian/US/World politics coverage, probably proportionate to that order.

Ace of Spades HQ - Ace frequently refers to his viewers as morons & moronettes. He has a number of guest bloggers who post on regular topics, from politics to food to astronomy. US based. Great sense of sarcasm. Largely US politics.

Theo Spark - Does a few of his own topics, has a number of guest bloggers who do daily posts. Also a bit of an aggregator. Quite diverse in his coverage. Lots of political cartoons. Some great photography on a semi-regular basis, daily bed-time & tea-time totty's, as well as a daily set of 4 pretty young ladies. Believe he's based in England. World politics with an emphasis on the US.

I visit all 3 daily.

The world doesn't revolve around Google, although they'd like you to think so. Their search results are so biased as to be almost unusable. I don't use them & haven't for years. Neither should anybody else. DuckDuckGo, on the first page of results, returns Acronym Finder. Within that, MSM's second definition is Mainstream Media.
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Old Feb 9th, 2015, 07:14 PM   #40
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Can't attest to rankings but here are three that use it regularly:

Small Dead Animals - Kate lives in Saskabush near Saskatoon. She's won a couple of "Best Canadian Blog" awards. I find her presentation style refreshing. Canadian/US/World politics coverage, probably proportionate to that order.

Ace of Spades HQ - Ace frequently refers to his viewers as morons & moronettes. He has a number of guest bloggers who post on regular topics, from politics to food to astronomy. US based. Great sense of sarcasm. Largely US politics.

Theo Spark - Does a few of his own topics, has a number of guest bloggers who do daily posts. Also a bit of an aggregator. Quite diverse in his coverage. Lots of political cartoons. Some great photography on a semi-regular basis, daily bed-time & tea-time totty's, as well as a daily set of 4 pretty young ladies. Believe he's based in England. World politics with an emphasis on the US.

I visit all 3 daily.

The world doesn't revolve around Google, although they'd like you to think so. Their search results are so biased as to be almost unusable. I don't use them & haven't for years. Neither should anybody else. DuckDuckGo, on the first page of results, returns Acronym Finder. Within that, MSM's second definition is Mainstream Media.
Actually in terms of numbers, it pretty much does.

All political parties in Canada know that, as I suspect all political Parties around the world know that. When trying to reach a large audience if you can't be found in the first two pages in Google at a high rank you basically don't exist for the vast majority of people. That is a simple fact.

So while the blogs that you refer to may or may not speak the "truth" until they become much better at communications and SEO practices (I will let you search that one for yourself, it should come up either number one or three in your browser, depending) they will forever be on the fringes.

By all means try and convince us here at ehMac (a dying Forum) to go to these fringe blogs.

But if you really want their voice to be heard tell them to get on board with 21st century communications.

There is little point in speaking if there is no one there to hear what you have to say. Sadly this place is becoming a location for that more and more all the time.
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