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Old Jul 11th, 2013, 02:58 PM   #41
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In my world, the 'boss' takes ultimate responsibility for the actions of their 'employees'.

Especially when the employees are busy remaking 'the company' into the boss's image...
An old saw that rings true in this situation. The Boss to the locomotive engineer; "my locomotive, my rail cars, my radio, my tracks, my station, my rules, and it's your fault."
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Old Jul 11th, 2013, 03:00 PM   #42
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More specifically the engineer failed to properly set and test handbrakes. Since the train was seemingly parked on the mainline I doubt there were any derails nearby, but even a single layer of redundancy would have prevented this tragedy.

A second engineer would have made a big difference in the time required to set enough handbrakes to hold the train secure on what must of been a fairly long continuous grade.

What I have found most disturbing is that corporate management spent nearly a week trying to shift/dodge the blame before placing it right where it belonged all along.
How do you know any of the information you posted?
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Old Jul 11th, 2013, 07:38 PM   #43
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The train reached 65 MPH, not possible without the long grade. With the engines shut down had the grade leveled or reversed the train would have slowed or stopped.

I am guessing it was on a mainline as otherwise the switch should have been thrown to favour the main and the train would have derailed as it tried to leave the siding.

Unless things have changed from the distant past when I did some mapping for CP rail, derails were not placed on the main line as it was far too easy for someone to maliciously drop one across the track. Possible there are portable versions now but they would still most likely be made of cast iron and very heavy to tote around.

A second engineer would have made the job of securing hand brakes faster as he could have walked back up the track aways and worked on a second group of cars.
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Old Jul 11th, 2013, 08:19 PM   #44
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The train reached 65 MPH, not possible without the long grade. With the engines shut down had the grade leveled or reversed the train would have slowed or stopped.

I am guessing it was on a mainline as otherwise the switch should have been thrown to favour the main and the train would have derailed as it tried to leave the siding.

Unless things have changed from the distant past when I did some mapping for CP rail, derails were not placed on the main line as it was far too easy for someone to maliciously drop one across the track. Possible there are portable versions now but they would still most likely be made of cast iron and very heavy to tote around.

A second engineer would have made the job of securing hand brakes faster as he could have walked back up the track aways and worked on a second group of cars.
Conjecture only. The TSB who are investigating do not know what happened...yet but they will report the facts...be patient.
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I think dl's point, was opinion only was being expressed until more facts come out.

Why turn it into an "I know ya are" game?

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Sorry, my apologies, I didn't read the announcement about a new mod. When was the appointment?
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I think dl's point, was opinion only was being expressed until more facts come out.

Why turn it into an "I know ya are" game?

Carry on
You are correct with regard to my point. We should wait for the facts.

As an aside there are those who seem have a build up of nastiness who can't wait to vent their spleens at every opportunity.
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You are correct with regard to my point. We should wait for the facts.
I agree completely, but there was NO need for the dart, "conjecture only". What's good for the goose and all.
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