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Old Jul 10th, 2013, 06:29 PM   #21
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The buck stops with the guy at the head of the government that okayed the dismantling of the regulation....not the first time with the Cons....likely not the last.
idiotic Ideology has consequences - 60 people dead likely is a pretty severe one.



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Old Jul 10th, 2013, 06:51 PM   #22
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The buck stops with the guy at the head of the government that okayed the dismantling of the regulation....not the first time with the Cons....likely not the last.
idiotic Ideology has consequences - 60 people dead likely is a pretty severe one.
The regulation is not being dismantled. A bureaucrat gave the company permission to run the railroad under those conditions. The decision has nothing to do with who happens to be PM at the time.
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Old Jul 10th, 2013, 06:51 PM   #23
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The buck stops with the guy at the head of the government that okayed the dismantling of the regulation....not the first time with the Cons....likely not the last.
idiotic Ideology has consequences - 60 people dead likely is a pretty severe one.
it was before his time.. Try with the liberals first.. amazing how people love to hate ..
It is one of the Chretien government's least talked about policy successes.
maybe we should find him and tar and feather him.. for what he caused.


Doug Young, then Liberal Transport Minister, decided enough was enough and put the CNR on the block. He scrapped the 100-year-old Railway Act and replaced it with the Canada Transportation Act, legislation that deregulated our railways, airlines and ports. It allowed rail companies to rationalize their activities, to play to their strengths and trim their weaknesses. At the same time, it opened the market on abandoned track to short-line companies, which have much lower operating costs.
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Harper, and even the best of minds can be ill-informed at times.
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A bureaucrat gave the company permission to run the railroad under those conditions. The decision has nothing to do with who happens to be PM at the time.
Can you imagine the hue & cry from the left if everything negative that happened under a Liberal watch was immediately elevated to "the PM dunnit"? This place would go ballistic...
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Yeah...almost like he pushed the train down the hill himself. Jeezuz...

The decision to approve single engineers was made by Transport Canada, not PMSH's Office.

As usual, you never let facts get in the way of a good rant, do you? Here, GHG thread or anywhere else, for that matter.
Well, well! Seems to me the decision to approve "single crew" on trains might fall to these cats at the Canadian Transportation Agency. All of whom were appointed (if you'll note) by OGL one Stephen Harper since becoming Prime Minister in 2006.

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Now are these people a bunch of party hacks, being rewarded or are they truly independent decision makers, I don't know.

With a mandate such as:

"Economic regulation, to provide approvals, issue licences, permits and certificates of fitness, and make decisions on a wide range of matters involving federal air, rail and marine transportation.";
these fine gentlemen might be the go to guys to approve one person crew on trains, rather than Transport Canada whose mandate is more regulatory administration.

Just cause someone, throws a bone, to the faithful does not make it so.

Just pointing out in consideration of your all too familiar theme back at you:
"As usual, you never let facts get in the way of a good rant, do you? Here, GHG thread or anywhere else, for that matter."
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Old Jul 10th, 2013, 08:39 PM   #28
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Well, well! Seems to me the decision to approve "single crew" on trains might fall to these cats at the Canadian Transportation Agency. All of whom were appointed (if you'll note) by OGL one Stephen Harper since becoming Prime Minister in 2006.


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Now are these people a bunch of party hacks, being rewarded or are they truly independent decision makers, I don't know.

With a mandate such as:

"Economic regulation, to provide approvals, issue licences, permits and certificates of fitness, and make decisions on a wide range of matters involving federal air, rail and marine transportation.";
these fine gentlemen might be the go to guys to approve one person crew on trains, rather than Transport Canada whose mandate is more regulatory administration.

Just cause someone, throws a bone, to the faithful does not make it so.

Just pointing out in consideration of your all too familiar theme back at you:
"As usual, you never let facts get in the way of a good rant, do you? Here, GHG thread or anywhere else, for that matter."
It seems the right has a very short memory. When the liberals were in the outrage and screams for the liberal MPs and Pm to be put in jail, were constant. The names of lieberals, criminals, on and on were a regular thing. The moral outrage when anyone dares have certain names for a conservative party is just rich.

Somehow, now that one of their 'own' is PM, he can do no wrong. Anytime something goes wrong, it's always someone else's fault.

WHy is it that conservatives have so much trouble taking responsibilities for their actions?



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Well, well! Seems to me the decision to approve "single crew" on trains might fall to these cats at the Canadian Transportation Agency. All of whom were appointed (if you'll note) by OGL one Stephen Harper since becoming Prime Minister in 2006.
It doesn't matter who appointed them or who was at the helm at the time of the incident. What matters is that they were hired to fill a position with commensurate duties & responsibilities. The PM, whether Conservative, Liberal or otherwise, doesn't personally approve, nor take responsibility for, every decision of every underling that's ever been hired. It's their job to take care of business.

What would happen if this incident occurred under a Liberal watch? Would it be the Liberal PM's fault because he didn't replace the positions appointed by PMSH? Would it still be PMSH's fault, even though he was no longer in power?

The answer is neither. Wanna point a finger? Go ahead, at the people who made the decision to allow single engineers with no one left at the engine. No argument. However, the buck stops there.

Apparently this is exceeding difficult for some to understand. Let me draw you a pitcher...

If a Liberal page heads home for the weekend, leaves his car in neutral on the driveway which, later on, rolls back onto the street and kills someone, is it the Liberal leader's fault? By your numbers, it is. By any reasonable standard, the responsibility lies entirely with the page.

Let me put it another way. Years ago I ran a materials handling crew for a local trailer factory. If one of my guys was slow to the production line with materials or tardy for a line move, it sure as hell wasn't the owners fault...
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Let me put it another way. Years ago I ran a materials handling crew for a local trailer factory. If one of my guys was slow to the production line with materials or tardy for a line move, it sure as hell wasn't the owners fault...
no but the unions will blame the owners for not paying him enough to work faster and more responsibly, or he had to much responsibility LOL
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