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Old Jul 8th, 2013, 09:21 PM   #11
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The short answer is no.

Maybe having sections of the train's air brakes "pumped up" and tested before adding additional sections. Might prove less time consuming. That would provide more breaking power vs. mass (weight) than just relying on the brakes of the locomotives as a safety measure.
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Old Jul 8th, 2013, 10:29 PM   #12
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Just heard on the news that there had been an engine fire in the lead locomotive a couple of hours before the runaway. Engine was shut down, fire out and Railway personnel on the scene before the firefighters left.

May turn into a criminal investigation.
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Old Jul 9th, 2013, 12:04 AM   #13
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May turn into a criminal investigation.
Reports I read on the web would indicate a criminal investigation is already under way.
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Incredible video... these folks are 'way too close to the remaining rail cars... things really start popping at about 3:30 into the video... Quite a lot of expletives... in English and French...

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Old Jul 9th, 2013, 06:32 PM   #15
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Just heard on the news that there had been an engine fire in the lead locomotive a couple of hours before the runaway. Engine was shut down, fire out and Railway personnel on the scene before the firefighters left.

May turn into a criminal investigation.
I don't know the operating rules for this railway company (MM&A) but as matter of practical practice, when I worked around railway equipment and the "Rules" for operating employees, was you manually apply sufficient (mechanical) hand brakes to hold the equipment in place. Chains might also be required to be placed in front of and behind the wheel to hold the equipment in place (Locomotive, tank, flat or box car) a couple examples of the types of hand brakes.




The above brakes should hold whether the Locomotives were shut down or running. The proper chains would also do the job. Sounds to me as if the CEO is protecting his ass...ets.

With unattended equipment in an unprotected yard there should have been portable or permanent mechanical derail devices on either end of the train/yard locked in the operating (derail) position just to prevent an accident such as this one in Lac Mégantic. The rail cars at a very slow speed would fall of the track. A "derail" is a railcar wheel on the ground. Having this happen a a slow speed would not cause the cars to fall over.



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Old Jul 9th, 2013, 06:42 PM   #16
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But all of these precautions are time-consuming, right?

BTW, he has now stated that an MM&A train will never again be left unattended.

Yep, close that there barn door.
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But all of these precautions are time-consuming, right?

BTW, he has now stated that an MM&A train will never again be left unattended.

Yep, close that there barn door.
Depending on how many brakes it could be 10 to 30 seconds per brake and a little walking. The derail if available would be a minute(s) to apply plus the walk.

The securing of the train would minimal cost. Even if the cost were slightly more substantial the cost of paying for this accident could run into how many dollars?
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No ones knows, yet.

And the actual cost in human lives can never be repaid.
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and of course Herr Harper had his hand in the mess as well

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Ottawa okayed having only one engineer on ill-fated train

The rail company whose 73-car train devastated parts of Lac-Mégantic had been granted rare permission by the federal government last year to operate the train with only one engineer on board,
Ottawa okayed having only one engineer on ill-fated train | Toronto Star



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Old Jul 10th, 2013, 12:30 PM   #20
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Yeah...almost like he pushed the train down the hill himself. Jeezuz...

The decision to approve single engineers was made by Transport Canada, not PMSH's Office.

As usual, you never let facts get in the way of a good rant, do you? Here, GHG thread or anywhere else, for that matter.
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