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Old Apr 23rd, 2013, 11:25 AM   #11
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there should be concern, but it does show that our current system is working well.



so are you against the S7 bill that is being pushed through parliament?

that is what my "fear mongering" was alluding to. reintrouduced after the Boston bombing, and now fuelled by this latest plot.

doesn't make sense to me to have everyone's rights eroded because of potential threats that have been thwarted in this country with our existing laws.
I completely fail to understand why Cons who should be the ones defending our civil rights are mainly the ones pushing to eliminate them.

Again I am not in the least afraid of terrorists, but we need to keep a very careful eye on those telling us to be afraid.
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Old Apr 23rd, 2013, 11:30 AM   #12
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Unless I misread it, all it does is allow people to sue terrorists or governments who direct them. Even Amnesty International is on board with that.
no, it does much more than that. look into it. libertarians should be aghast.

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The bill would also allow authorities to imprison a Canadian for up to 12 months if the person refuses to testify in front of a judge at an investigative hearing.
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Old Apr 23rd, 2013, 12:05 PM   #13
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no, it does much more than that. look into it. libertarians should be aghast.
And yet, looking through the legislation, I can't find those provisions. Not saying they are not there, but how are they phrased?
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Old Apr 23rd, 2013, 12:24 PM   #14
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Since the plot was uncovered and those involved arrested, I opt for number one. I'd say good work to the police on this one.
wow.. thats why the titanic sank LOL.. because it was such a small iceberg above the water and and monstrous below the surface..


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there should be concern, but it does show that our current system is working well.
couldnt disagree more with you..
it was a lucky fluke that he was report by his own 'religious' crowd.. for fear of retribution to Boston.. if boston never happened, it would of been worse..
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Old Apr 23rd, 2013, 12:49 PM   #15
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And yet, looking through the legislation, I can't find those provisions. Not saying they are not there, but how are they phrased?
not sure how it's phrased in the legislation. but i trust the globe piece as i've seen the same points brought up in other articles and from other civil liberties groups.

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couldnt disagree more with you..
it was a lucky fluke that he was report by his own 'religious' crowd.. for fear of retribution to Boston.. if boston never happened, it would of been worse..
huh? the RCMP have been watching the 2 suspects since last august. The boston bombing had nothing to do with breaking this case.

this is exactly the type of nonsense i was eluding to earlier when i mentioned fear mongering.
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not sure how it's phrased in the legislation. but i trust the globe piece as i've seen the same points brought up in other articles and from other civil liberties groups.
Do none of your sources quote the legislation?
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Old Apr 23rd, 2013, 01:06 PM   #17
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that touches on it.

looking at the legislation here is the bit about holding someone for 3 days without charge :

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wow.. thats why the titanic sank LOL.. because it was such a small iceberg above the water and and monstrous below the surface..




couldnt disagree more with you..
it was a lucky fluke that he was report by his own 'religious' crowd.. for fear of retribution to Boston.. if boston never happened, it would of been worse..
lucky fluke, and 'his own religious crowd'?

I'd like to see some evidence of either.



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huh? the RCMP have been watching the 2 suspects since last august. The boston bombing had nothing to do with breaking this case.

this is exactly the type of nonsense i was eluding to earlier when i mentioned fear mongering.
if you dont believe in timing then you live in a cave.
its all about timing.. watching is one thing but outside influences and circumstances is another..
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timing may well have been a factor, certainly the government suddenly rushing to ram through their anti terrorism bill in a desperate effort to look like leaders comes to mind...




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