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Old Oct 23rd, 2016, 04:50 AM   #31
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Let's just say that I don't find the Right's automatic rejection of the conclusions / opinions / determinations of anyone who has an education as being rather ridiculous. People who dedicate years of study and effort to becoming experts in a particular field would, one can expect, to have a better informed view of topics within that field.

Certainly more than the average opinionated forum participant.

By all means be (honestly) critical and keep 'em honest, but outright rejection is an absurd posture.

In the case of fracking, unless you are, say, a hydro-geologist / engineer, why would your opinion mean squat to anyone?
It is not the 'conclusions / opinions / determinations of anyone' of anyone I am rejecting. 'People who dedicate years of study and effort to becoming experts in a particular field', in this case journalism, who ply their craft correctly would never call a 'belief' as this story did as, 'it's official'.

That is my point and nothing more. It has bugger all to do with 'the Right's automatic rejection'.
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Old Oct 23rd, 2016, 01:02 PM   #32
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It is not the 'conclusions / opinions / determinations of anyone' of anyone I am rejecting. 'People who dedicate years of study and effort to becoming experts in a particular field', in this case journalism, who ply their craft correctly would never call a 'belief' as this story did as, 'it's official'.

That is my point and nothing more. It has bugger all to do with 'the Right's automatic rejection'.
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Old Oct 23rd, 2016, 01:49 PM   #33
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Panther P!$$...

Let's examine this a bit, shall we?

First of all, it's an Appeal to Authority (see the last paragraph at the link), a Logical Fallacy, and one which has been pointed out many times by myself here on ehMac, especially in regards to your frequent use of it.

I find it intriguing that most STEM undergraduates are fully aware of its existence, yet many social science PhD's are blissfully unaware of its existence. How the hell did you mange to defend? Or do PhD's come in a Cracker Jack box?

"Ladies & Gents, in sum, I read about it on Crooks & Liars..." Ha!

And you, asking for "honest" criticism? As in facts & figures? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ROTFLMFAO!!!

When did honest criticism & empirical evidence ever sway you from the narrative?

As far as your defence of people with degrees is concerned, after seeing evidence of thousands of recent "scientific" papers that are crap, and reading about the fruit loops & whackos in academia who are offended by such traumatic things as chalk on the sidewalk, trigger words & improper pronoun use, one would not be out of order to be immediately suspect of any self-professed "expert" with initials behind his/her/its name.

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Old Oct 23rd, 2016, 03:53 PM   #34
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Truly astonishing to see the usual suspects jump to... well, not the defence of anything, since no-one argues the actual issue at hand, they attack the messenger, because it's easier to blather on, as you are wont to do.

For those who care to look at the data and the argument put forth by the scientists (surely godless commie hippie liberal types), the full text is coming out next month in Seismological Research Letters. Here's the abstract:

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The largest recorded earthquake in Kansas occurred northeast of Milan on 12 November 2014 (Mw 4.9) in a region previously devoid of significant seismic activity. Applying multistation processing to data from local stations, we are able to detail the rupture process and rupture geometry of the mainshock, identify the causative fault plane, and delineate the expansion and extent of the subsequent seismic activity.

The earthquake followed rapid increases of fluid injection by multiple wastewater injection wells in the vicinity of the fault. The source parameters and behavior of the Milan earthquake and foreshock–aftershock sequence are similar to characteristics of other earthquakes induced by wastewater injection into permeable formations overlying crystalline basement. This earthquake also provides an opportunity to test the empirical relation that uses felt area to estimate moment magnitude for historical earthquakes for Kansas.
Perhaps SINC's journalistic radar would be less likely to raise alarm if I had posted the original article from the Wichitaw Eagle, titled "Geologists: Here’s what caused Kansas’ biggest earthquake"? Among the relevant bits in the article are the following (emphasis mine):

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...induced earthquakes in Kansas were so new so the risks weren’t clear: Until 2014 there had been fewer than one earthquake per year but in 2014 there were more than 125 earthquakes with a magnitude of 2.5 or larger.
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In its continuing effort to settle the shaky ground, a divided Kansas Corporation Commission on Tuesday expanded restrictions on underground injection of oilfield wastewater linked to the spate of earthquakes over the past four years.

The new rules put stricter limits on the volume of wastewater that can be dumped down disposal wells around the most seismically sensitive areas of Harper and Sumner counties. Tuesday’s order also expands the area where underground disposal is restricted.

Reduced injection rates are being credited with a reduction in the magnitude and frequency of human-perceptible quakes on the Kansas side of the Oklahoma border.
It is truly sad that this inherent desire to defend all things fossil fuel has led folks to be so incapable of discussing the issue rationally. The words "solar" or "wind" or "electric" set you lot off like a mailman arriving on the set of 101 Dalmatians. It's pathological, a condition akin to that provoked by kids walking across an old man's lawn.

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You're just being goofy, CN. Has nothing to do with fossil fuel issues. Go have a cerveza.
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Old Oct 23rd, 2016, 04:29 PM   #36
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You're just being goofy, CN. Has nothing to do with fossil fuel issues. Go have a cerveza.
Not much of a cerveza kinda guy. The drink down here is mezcal, but I'm not a fan. Far better some good Cuban rum... but now that the USA has opened its borders to import Cuban rum and cigars, that may soon become scarce....
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When the premise of the argument is based on a logical fallacy, there is no need for further debunking...

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Truly astonishing to see the usual suspects jump to... well, not the defence of anything, since no-one argues the actual issue at hand, they attack the messenger, because it's easier to blather on, as you are wont to do.
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In Canada, a Direct Link Between Fracking and Earthquakes


In the debate over fracking of oil and gas wells, opponents often cite the risk that the process can set off nearby earthquakes. But scientists say that in the United States, fracking-induced earthquakes are not common.

In Canada, however, a spate of earthquakes in Alberta within the last five years has been attributed to fracking, or hydraulic fracturing, in which water, chemicals and sand are injected at high pressure into a well drilled in a shale formation to break up the rock and release oil and gas.

Now, scientists at the University of Calgary who studied those earthquakes, near Fox Creek in the central part of the province, say the quakes were induced in two ways: by increases in pressure as the fracking occurred, and, for a time after the process was completed, by pressure changes brought on by the lingering presence of fracking fluid.

“The key message is that the primary cause of injection-induced seismicity in Western Canada is different from the central United States,” said David W. Eaton, a professor of geophysics at the University of Calgary and co-author of a paper in the journal Science describing the research. The findings could help regulators take steps to avoid such induced earthquakes, he said.

Scientists say most of the recent earthquakes in Oklahoma and other parts of the United States have been caused by the burial of wastewater from all kinds of oil and gas wells rather than by the fracking process itself. Wastewater is injected under pressure into disposal wells drilled into a sandstone or other permeable formation, and flows into the rock. That can cause pressure changes in the formation that can upset the equilibrium around a fault zone, causing an earthquake as the fault slips.
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