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Old Dec 16th, 2012, 10:16 AM   #71
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and armed to the teeth - there is no valid excuse whatsoever - note the multiple guns 62% and 68% with handguns.



what's 5,000 kids killed a year by firearms....collateral damage I guess



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Old Dec 16th, 2012, 11:07 AM   #72
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Harming children to feel powerful doesn't require a gun.

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Old Dec 16th, 2012, 11:19 AM   #73
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A rather scary, sad read from a mother of a child who could have been (or may become) Adam Lanza:

"I Am Adam Lanza's Mother" - Let's Talk About Mental Illness
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Old Dec 16th, 2012, 11:33 AM   #74
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Something that will no doubt get lost or suppressed is that the shooter was being given SSRI style meds.

These have rather unique side effects, one of which is amplifying the mental health problems they attempt to treat. A bonus is that stopping the meds can also do the same thing.
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Old Dec 16th, 2012, 11:45 AM   #75
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• The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world - an average of 88 per 100 people. That puts it first in the world for gun ownership - and even the number two country, Yemen, has significantly fewer - 54.8 per 100 people
• But the US does not have the worst firearm murder rate - that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the US is number 28, with a rate of 2.97 per 100,000 people
• Puerto Rico tops the world's table for firearms murders as a percentage of all homicides - 94.8%. It's followed by Sierra Leone in Africa and Saint Kitts and Nevis in the Caribbean
Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country | News | guardian.co.uk
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An interesting article indeed. When my nephew demonstrated anti-social behavior at age 6, he was put on some form of psychotropic medicine that calmed him down most of the time. After a few outbursts landing him in juvenile hall for varying lengths of stays, he was removed from the home where two small girls (sisters) lived. At age 17, he was sentenced to 10 years in prison for a violent rape of a twelve year old girl.

I'm not bragging here. I don't know what caused it or how it could have come out otherwise. Oh, wait a minute... yes I do. But it requires some real Faith and some real adherence to conditioning a child's behavior from birth.

My brother is a jerk of a father. When he could have made a difference, he didn't even try.
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Old Dec 16th, 2012, 11:53 AM   #77
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A rather scary, sad read from a mother of a child who could have been (or may become) Adam Lanza:
Scary read is right...lot of issues with big pharma and the medical community regarding these psychotic drugs, etc.
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Now Israeli's of all peoples have a legit need - lets see how it goes there....

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Gun owners in Israel are limited to owning one pistol, and must undergo extensive mental and physical tests before they can receive a weapon, and gun owners are limited to 50 rounds of ammunition per year.

Not all Israelis, however, may own guns. In order to own a pistol, an Israeli must for two years have been either a captain in the army or a former lieutenant colonel. Israelis with an equivalent rank in other security organizations may also own a pistol.
Despite militarized society, Israel has strict gun laws | JTA - Jewish & Israel News

Let's see what happened in Britain

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After a couple of horrible mass shootings in Britain, handguns and automatic weapons have been effectively banned. It is possible to own shotguns, and rifles if you can demonstrate to the police that you have a good reason to own one, such as target shooting at a gun club, or deer stalking, say. The firearms-ownership rules are onerous, involving hours of paperwork. You must provide a referee who has to answer nosy questions about the applicant's mental state, home life (including family or domestic tensions) and their attitude towards guns. In addition to criminal-record checks, the police talk to applicants’ family doctors and ask about any histories of alcohol or drug abuse or personality disorders.

Vitally, it is also very hard to get hold of ammunition. Just before leaving Britain in the summer, I had lunch with a member of parliament whose constituency is plagued with gang violence and drug gangs. She told me of a shooting, and how it had not led to a death, because the gang had had to make its own bullets, which did not work well, and how this was very common, according to her local police commander. Even hardened criminals willing to pay for a handgun in Britain are often getting only an illegally modified starter’s pistol turned into a single-shot weapon.

And, to be crude, having few guns does mean that few people get shot. In 2008-2009, there were 39 fatal injuries from crimes involving firearms in England and Wales, with a population about one sixth the size of America’s. In America, there were 12,000 gun-related homicides in 2008.
Even the NRA knows enough to shut up just now....maybe the gun lovers here should take a hint.



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Old Dec 16th, 2012, 12:18 PM   #79
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Even the NRA knows enough to shut up just now....maybe the gun lovers here should take a hint.
Perhaps someone with no practical knowledge of firearms and suffers from Hoplophobia should take the same hint.
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Perhaps someone with no practical knowledge of firearms and suffers from Hoplophobia should take the same hint.
MacDoc is probably the most frightened man I've ever encountered online.
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