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Old Dec 15th, 2012, 09:32 PM   #61
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Ha,ha,ha, Bloomberg is a raving anti and has been for years...ask him how his gun ban is working our in New York City. Ask Obama how the tough gun laws and bans have worked out in Chicago. How about all the bans and restrictions in California sure stopped gun violence in LA, Oakland and Stockton.
Obama and Bloomberg are typical statists who believe in top-heavy government. They will trot this out during every tragedy to see if it sticks.
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Old Dec 15th, 2012, 11:14 PM   #63
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Potential tyrants willing to attempt takeover of a well-armed populace: 0.
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Old Dec 15th, 2012, 11:39 PM   #64
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Potential tyrants willing to attempt takeover of a well-armed populace: 0.


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"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." is a quote by Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II. Of course it was originally stated in Japanese, this is the English translation.
There are detractors of the quote, but considering Yamamoto studied in the US, it's possible. It was certainly true then and it's certainly true now.
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Old Dec 16th, 2012, 12:47 AM   #65
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I was in college in a journalism class (here in Oklahoma City area) when it was announced that the Murrah Building had been bombed. I was home preparing to go to class when I watched the WACO debacle unfold and played hooky. I had just dropped my 8 year-old son at school and came home in time to see the planes fly into the WTC. All three of those events were horrifying to watch and mindnumbing, but at least those had political overtones that we all know and understand make people commit acts of senseless violence.

Yesterday, I was busy wrapping and mailing Christmas gifts and did not turn on the news or radio until I'd mailed all the packages. I arrived home to discover the horror of this and immediately the last two lines of this poem learned some 30 odd years ago in a high school literature class began to echo in my mind.

The Second Coming by William Butler Yeats

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?


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Old Dec 16th, 2012, 03:15 AM   #66
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Potential tyrants willing to attempt takeover of a well-armed populace: 0.
Somalia - lots of tyrants - lots of guns on all sides. The innocent pay each and every day. Not a good life.
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Old Dec 16th, 2012, 05:47 AM   #67
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I was in college in a journalism class (here in Oklahoma City area) when it was announced that the Murrah Building had been bombed. I was home preparing to go to class when I watched the WACO debacle unfold and played hooky. I had just dropped my 8 year-old son at school and came home in time to see the planes fly into the WTC. All three of those events were horrifying to watch and mindnumbing, but at least those had political overtones that we all know and understand make people commit acts of senseless violence.

Yesterday, I was busy wrapping and mailing Christmas gifts and did not turn on the news or radio until I'd mailed all the packages. I arrived home to discover the horror of this and immediately the last two lines of this poem learned some 30 odd years ago in a high school literature class began to echo in my mind.

The Second Coming by William Butler Yeats

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?


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That Yeats poem is appropriate in this situation, margarok. Paix, mon ami.
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Old Dec 16th, 2012, 06:10 AM   #68
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So, what are average people who live in Newtown talking about online?

This might help give you some insight:
This is a moving testimony, Don. Sounds very much like what Morgan Freeman said as well.
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Old Dec 16th, 2012, 06:16 AM   #69
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Three mass stabbings of children in a month. What the hell is going on in China?

Three mass stabbings of children in a month. What the hell is going on in China? – Telegraph Blogs

How about Morgan Freeman's take? Media responsible for these lunatics.

Surprising message from Morgan Freeman. He blames the media for CT shooting. | Peace . Gold . Liberty
On the same day as the Newtown shootings, 22 children were stabbed in China by Ana with a knife. The big difference is that those children lived. Guns may not kill people, but they sure make it a lot easier for a person with an urge to hurt others.
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Old Dec 16th, 2012, 10:06 AM   #70
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On the same day as the Newtown shootings, 22 children were stabbed in China by Ana with a knife. The big difference is that those children lived. Guns may not kill people, but they sure make it a lot easier for a person with an urge to hurt others.
I know the difference, just pointing out that the US is not alone in this kind of antisocial personality disorder leading to psychopathy. Guns or no guns. There are plenty of these kind of incidents from Tim Kretschmer in Germany, to Thomas Hamilton in Scottland, to incidents in Finland, to the mass murder in Norway by Breivik and other mass stabbings where the victims were not as lucky.

This probably isn't anything new and has been around for centuries with the one exception and that being that there was no opportunity for infamy. That has changed with the media feeding frenzy over such incidents and consequently we have more copycat killings. Sinc's earlier post is spot on.
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