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Old Dec 15th, 2012, 04:19 PM   #51
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You can't compare a single killing to a mass murder. The comparison is inept.

The greatest school tragedy in American history occurred in 1927 and involved no guns--although they were more widely available then:

Bath School disaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So what you're saying is, we should be controlling guns as strictly as we do bombs. Right?
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Old Dec 15th, 2012, 04:22 PM   #52
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So what you're saying is, we should be controlling guns as strictly as we do bombs. Right?
What are our current bomb control laws like"
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Old Dec 15th, 2012, 04:39 PM   #53
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What are our current bomb control laws like"
According to wiki, the Bath School disaster was done using pyrotol and dynamite.

Pyrotol was a substance made from military surplus material, and its production dwindled after the disaster, though it would have likely dwindled anyway.

The dynamite was purchased from a sporting goods store. As best as I can tell, to purchase dynamite these days, you require a permit and a license, though requirements vary by location.
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According to wiki, the Bath School disaster was done using pyrotol and dynamite.

Pyrotol was a substance made from military surplus material, and its production dwindled after the disaster, though it would have likely dwindled anyway.

The dynamite was purchased from a sporting goods store. As best as I can tell, to purchase dynamite these days, you require a permit and a license, though requirements vary by location.
Since this thread is derailed anyway...

Who needs dynamite when you can get diesel fuel and fertilizer.

Explosives in Canada, including ammunition, is controlled by the MNR. (Min. of Natural Resources)
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If there was anything as loud as the gunfire that erupted on a sunny morning in Connecticut Friday, it was the roar of disapproval — and disbelief — that issued after White House spokesman Jay Carney told a news briefing that “today is not the day” to discuss U.S. gun control.

Social media lit up with sparks of anger and rage, and the world was left wondering: What will it take for America to tackle its devastating gun problem? If not the slaughter of 28 people, including at least 20 children, then what?

It was the seventh mass shooting of the year and the second deadliest in U.S. history, behind only the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre in which 33 died.

It is America’s haunting, recurring nightmare.

Last year alone, more than 30,000 Americans died from gunfire.

The magnitude of the tragedy moved President Barack Obama to tears as he told the nation, “our hearts are broken today.”

“They had their entire lives ahead of them,” the president said of the children who died, “birthdays, graduations, weddings, kids of their own.”

He said the time had arrived for America to take “meaningful action.” But he did not say what form that action might take.

Even in the face of a devastating national tragedy, it seems a recently re-elected president of the United States must tread carefully on an issue so embedded in American life — and the Second Amendment guarantee that grants Americans the right to bear arms.

America’s gun lobby, led by the National Rifle Association, declined comment following the horror, saying it would make no statement, “until the facts are thoroughly known.”

But what facts did emerge Friday were that 20-year-old Adam Lanza brought three weapons, two handguns — a Glock and a Sig Sauer — as well as a .223-calibre semi-automatic rifle, all of which were recovered. The weapons require a permit by law, but it is not known whether he had one.

Law enforcement officials told NBC News the guns were registered in the name of his mother, Nancy Lanza, a school teacher. Lanza shot her to death before taking his own life.

Reports said Lanza was dressed in black and wore a bulletproof vest.

In the Aurora, Colo., massacre, gunman James Holmes used the popular AR-15 to kill 12 and wound 58 in just 120 seconds at a packed screening of a Batman movie in July. He had also donned a bulletproof vest.

Lanza’s massacre was more than twice as deadly, apparently confined to two classrooms. It is not yet known how much ammunition he used or how long the gunfire lasted.

But it provoked pity and sorrow for the families of the slain, and demands for action.

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg was perhaps the most eloquent in framing the frustration of many Americans.

The president talking about “meaningful action” did not go far enough, the mayor said.

“The country needs him to send a bill to Congress,” he said.


“With all the carnage from gun violence in our country, it’s still almost impossible to believe that a mass shooting in a kindergarten class could happen,” he observed. “Not even kindergarteners learning their ABCs are safe.

“We heard after Columbine that it was ‘too soon’ to talk about gun laws.
We heard it after Virginia Tech.
After Tucson and Aurora and Oak Creek.
And now we are hearing it again.”
go make your case to Mayor Bloomberg and the thousands of others that declare "it's not too soon....it needs to be now!! ".....

Connecticut school shooting: As America mourns, action demanded on gun control - thestar.com



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Old Dec 15th, 2012, 05:50 PM   #57
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What are our current bomb control laws like"
You can't buy them in sporting goods stores, and you sure aren't allowed to keep them in your house.

It is possible to buy materials that could potentially be used to MAKE a bomb, if you have that much forethought and actually know how to do it. Sounds exactly like the type of firearm controls we need -- so strict that only people so determined that they have the knowledge and resources to build them from scratch could possibly follow through.
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Old Dec 15th, 2012, 06:00 PM   #58
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You can't buy them in sporting goods stores, and you sure aren't allowed to keep them in your house.

It is possible to buy materials that could potentially be used to MAKE a bomb, if you have that much forethought and actually know how to do it. Sounds exactly like the type of firearm controls we need -- so strict that only people so determined that they have the knowledge and resources to build them from scratch could possibly follow through.

Hmmm CIA and a couple of other 'Good Guys' would top that list.
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Three mass stabbings of children in a month. What the hell is going on in China?

Three mass stabbings of children in a month. What the hell is going on in China? – Telegraph Blogs

How about Morgan Freeman's take? Media responsible for these lunatics.

Surprising message from Morgan Freeman. He blames the media for CT shooting. | Peace . Gold . Liberty
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go make your case to Mayor Bloomberg and the thousands of others that declare "it's not too soon....it needs to be now!! ".....

Connecticut school shooting: As America mourns, action demanded on gun control - thestar.com
Ha,ha,ha, Bloomberg is a raving anti and has been for years...ask him how his gun ban is working our in New York City. Ask Obama how the tough gun laws and bans have worked out in Chicago. How about all the bans and restrictions in California sure stopped gun violence in LA, Oakland and Stockton.
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