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Old Dec 14th, 2012, 10:09 PM   #31
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Please don't start with another topic, no comparison of the two.
This not fair to those who died.

I am pro choice and always will be.
Another thread perhaps but not here.
It has nothing to do with being pro-choice and I cam certainly not trying to convince you to change your position. It's just the leading cause of death. It was in response to MacDoc's statistic. I had other statistics about bicycling, but I ultimately didn't trust them.
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Old Dec 15th, 2012, 12:11 AM   #32
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It really bothers me that even as the bodies are still warm, the gun control balloons are being floated. I find it equally unsettling that Obama showed none of that compassion for the children killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Old Dec 15th, 2012, 12:54 AM   #33
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It really bothers me that even as the bodies are still warm, the gun control balloons are being floated. I find it equally unsettling that Obama showed none of that compassion for the children killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Although the grief expressed by some people is real, it is selective grief.
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Old Dec 15th, 2012, 02:12 AM   #34
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typical defense of the indefensible crap from the right wing...

let's see real world

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Firearms Regulation in Australia

In Australia, access to firearms is limited to persons with a genuine need. This includes government and police, sporting shooters with valid membership of an approved club, recreational shooters or hunters that produce proof of permission from a landowner, primary producers, pest controllers and bona fide collectors. All governments have agreed that self-protection is not a genuine need.

The key elements of Australia’s regulatory controls on firearms are:

* prohibitions on fully and semi automatic long arms, with their use restricted primarily to military, police or government purposes;
* prohibitions on sporting shooters possessing, owning, using, purchasing or importing high powered, concealable handguns;
* mandatory registration of all firearms on State and Territory firearms registry systems;
* mandatory licensing of all firearm owners; and
* strict licensing requirements, including age limitations, undertaking firearms safety training, and compliance with firearm storage standards.
start there......

This was a direct result of a shooting in Tasmania with an semi-automatic firearm

did it work....damn right it did....

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Guns killed more than 5000 people in Australia in the past decade. Nine out of 10 of the victims were male and most of them killed themselves.

The number of deaths caused by firearms dropped almost 50 per cent between 1991 and 2001, with the biggest yearly fall in deaths coming after the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.
so stop with the nit picking shite about statistics and get behind a sensible control policy and give it teeth....

It's not like Aussies are milk toasts - the are rowdie they drink it's a hard driving sports and fishing culture....
and when common sense controls were put in place and enforced the death from firearms was cut in half.
and the crocodile tears - oh the poor kids and take cheap shots at Obama - do nothing for anyone if you still support handgun and semi-automatic rifle ownership of any sort.



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Old Dec 15th, 2012, 09:59 AM   #35
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Firearms ownership is highly defensible, McDoc, but this thread isn't the place for gun politics. Start a new thread.

An unfortunate Canadian connection to this tragedy:

Connecticut school shooting victim lived in Winnipeg: reports - Manitoba - CBC News

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One of the 20 children who died in a shooting massacre at a Connecticut elementary school on Friday had recently moved to the U.S. state from Winnipeg, according to reports.
Jimmy Greene moved his family — including two school-age children, Isaiah and Ana Marquez Greene — from Winnipeg to Newtown, Conn., in July, according to family and friends in the Manitoba capital.
A number of local media reports have said Ana died in Friday's shooting, but the family has not confirmed this. One report said the information is based on an internal note sent by administration at Linden Christian School in Winnipeg, where the girl used to be a student.
Reached by phone on Friday, Greene's family told CBC News that one of their children, a boy, was fine. However, they would not confirm the status of the girl.
Whyte Ridge Baptist Church, a Winnipeg church that the family used to attend, held a vigil to honour Ana's life on Friday evening.
Terry Janke, the church's senior pastor, told CBC News that Greene confirmed Ana's death to a congregation member.
"Through these times it rocks anybody's world, losing a child, and so we're holding ourselves up in grief but holding them up that their faith be unshakable," Janke said.
Greene is a U.S. jazz musician who was a faculty member at the University of Manitoba's school of music for three years before his family moved to Newtown.
Winnipeg musician Steve Kirby, who is close friends with Greene's family, described the children as "really bright" and talented.
"Really talented, beautiful children. Picture-book children, and obedient and spiritual — you know, the kind of kids you want moving in next door," he said.
Janke said many of the children at the Whyte Ridge church quickly became friends with Isaiah and Ana, and some continued their friendships as penpals after the family moved to Newtown.
"Ana was just a sweet little girl," he said. "I mean, she just had a big smile on her face."
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Old Dec 15th, 2012, 11:35 AM   #36
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I didn't even try that hard to look. You could have checked FexL instead with that common comment insinuate that someone is making something up.
Blah, blah, blah.

MacDoc's typical MO is to dump a great, steaming load in the middle of a thread, cobbled together from outhouse walls and other notable sources and lay it down as some sort of gospel. I was simply looking for clarification.

Was my tone accusatory? Probably. After many years on these boards, I'm quite familiar with his methodology, which rarely holds up under scrutiny.

I spent over half an hour looking for info, thankyouverymuch. Interesting thing is, I wasn't looking for newspaper articles, I was searching CDC, US statistics, etc. I couldn't find anything newer than several years old.

MacDoc's post specifically stated "last year". I was looking for data from 2011, of which I could find none. I could also find no statement anywhere about first world countries.

Before you go flying off the handle, perhaps you could seek a bit of clarification yourself.

Apologies to the OP for the diversion.
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Old Dec 15th, 2012, 11:53 AM   #37
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THIS THREAD IS ALL OVER THE MAP OF TOPICS

I hang my head in my hands and shake... I guess there will always be individuals who turn a tragedy into a politic forum, wrong place and time..

If you want to run for office or be a Cliff Clayven from cheers and of useless info- start a new thread..
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Same argument the NRA makes....well done.

Has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with working to prevent some future killings by getting sensible laws passed restricting gun ownership.....as Australia has done successfully after a similar incident. If it makes you uncomfortable tough...

A number of states have also done so successfully and reduced the carnage by enacting stricter controls. One can hope this time it engages a stronger national response in the US to 5,000 kids dying from firearms annually.



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Old Dec 15th, 2012, 12:07 PM   #39
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THIS THREAD IS ALL OVER THE MAP OF TOPICS

I hang my head in my hands and shake... I guess there will always be individuals who turn a tragedy into a politic forum, wrong place and time..

If you want to run for office or be a Cliff Clayven from cheers and of useless info- start a new thread..
Well what should we stick to then? A bunch of boohoo's and RIP's? What does that do?
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Well what should we stick to then? A bunch of boohoo's and RIP's? What does that do?
Well then - start a new thread and beat the gun control to death there.
Would be better.
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