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Old Dec 16th, 2012, 11:22 PM   #91
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Fair enough, I can accept that reasoning, but I don't believe it would stop a determined and dented individual. If crazed psychopath is determined enough he could set the school on fire or plant pipe bombs all over the place causing more horror than a 9mm handgun.
True, but the crazed psychopath is not the perpetrator of most gun-related death and injury... even if he gets the most media time.

Still... why make it easy? Some may not be determined enough, some may not be intelligent enough, and some may make enough errors along the way to get caught. At the very least, it's buying time.
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Old Dec 17th, 2012, 12:55 AM   #92
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True, but the crazed psychopath is not the perpetrator of most gun-related death and injury... even if he gets the most media time.

Still... why make it easy? Some may not be determined enough, some may not be intelligent enough, and some may make enough errors along the way to get caught. At the very least, it's buying time.
Okay, but this thread started life discussing a crazed maniac so that't the context in which I was replying. Anyway, I hear what you're saying, but that country is so saturated with firearms that to establish any sort of control would be very difficult and would not change many of the statistics even if they did get some controls in place. Firearms are the state's purview and as such will continue to vary greatly from state to state and the criminal element and their use of firearms would not change in the slightest.
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Mother of Sandy Hook school gunman Adam Lanza was a "prepper" survivalist preparing for economic and social collapse

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The mother of Adam Lanza, the gunman who killed 20 children and six adults in one of America’s worst ever school massacres, was a “survivalist” preparing for economic and social collapse, it has emerged.

According to reports, Nancy Lanza was a so-called 'prepper', a part of the survivalist movement which urges individuals to prepare for the breakdown of society by training with weapons and hoarding food and other supplies.
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Mrs Lanza is thought to have trained her sons, Adam and Ryan to shoot, even taking them to local ranges.
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Friends and family have portrayed Mrs Lanza as a paranoid ‘survivalist’ who believed the world was on the brink of violent collapse.

Despite initial reports that she was a kindergarten teacher at the school her son attacked, she had no connection with it and was described by a neighbour as ‘a stay-at-home mom’.
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And speaking of the terrible lack of mental health care in America...

Comic (Victoria Jackson, Tea Partier Extraordinaire) Links Adam Lanza to Women Who Have Abortions
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Hmmmm..... I saw Victoria Jackson at a couple of our tea party rallies. I think she has a right to her opinion about abortion. And she really isn't the only person to use the circumstances of this horrible tragedy to promote and support her own opinion. Proponents for gun control do it, opponents of gun control do it, even I have done it. She is anti-abortion and anti-killing children... I think she uses an extreme form of satire that sometimes misses the mark, but at least she is willing to stand on her convictions.

So am I.
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Old Dec 17th, 2012, 09:59 AM   #96
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Hmmmm..... I saw Victoria Jackson at a couple of our tea party rallies. I think she has a right to her opinion about abortion. And she really isn't the only person to use the circumstances of this horrible tragedy to promote and support her own opinion. Proponents for gun control do it, opponents of gun control do it, even I have done it. She is anti-abortion and anti-killing children... I think she uses an extreme form of satire that sometimes misses the mark, but at least she is willing to stand on her convictions.

So am I.
I agree with Jackson's point. There's too much of a disconnect between deaths caused by guns and a million caused by surgical suction hoses. The first evokes horror and the second evokes: "Don't talk about it."
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Old Dec 17th, 2012, 10:14 AM   #97
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Listening to the array of moving prayers and statements by the various religious leaders at yesterday's service in Newtown, I told my wife that I was thinking of Lincoln's Gettysburg address, specifically that part where he says ""The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to (their) great unfinished work." In their honor, he concluded, "we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain ...."

She wanted to know the process as to how the 2nd amendment might be changed, and was astounded at the complexity of the process. I told her that it would easier for Pres. Obama and Congress to try and restrict the ammunition that is used in the various assortment of guns that are used in these acts of senseless violence against innocent men, woment and children. Not sure if he will take on this cause, but as he said in his first campaign for the presidency, "Hope". We shall see.

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Old Dec 17th, 2012, 10:47 AM   #98
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Further on that shining beacon of gun control, Australia...

Australian Gun Ban Led To Massive Crime Increase

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Reported sexual assaults have increased by 51 percent since 1995, at an average of four percent each year.
Nice. Just the kind of statistic you'd like to foist on your female partner, your mother, your daughters...
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Europe Has Same Rate of Multiple Victim Shootings as the United States

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Europe has a lot of multiple victim shootings. If you look at a per capita rate, the rate of multiple-victim public shootings in Europe and the United States over the last 10 years have been fairly similar to each other. A couple of years ago you had a couple of big shootings in Finland. About two-and-a-half years ago you had a big shooting in the U.K., 12 people were killed.

You had Norway last year [where 77 died]. Two years ago, you had the shooting in Austria at a Sikh Temple. There have been several multiple-victim public shootings in France over the last couple of years. Over the last decade, you’ve had a couple of big school shootings in Germany. Germany in terms of modern incidents has two of the four worst public-school shootings, and they have very strict gun-control laws. The one common feature of all of those shootings in Europe is that they all take place in gun-free zones, in places where guns are supposed to be banned.
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Seems like big, bad, America has company in big, bad, Europe...
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The author addresses 6 gun control myths.

Factual weaponry for the stalwart foot soldiers fighting on behalf of the 2nd Amendment in the cause of Common Sense

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Collating gun ownership rates with Centers for Disease Control (CDC) homicide data underscores the above conclusions:

* States with the lowest firearms ownership average the highest firearm and non-firearm homicide rates.
* As firearms ownership rates increase, homicide rates generally decrease.
* States with the highest gun ownership have the lowest firearms homicide rates.
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