: Obama turning supporters into cynics--Michael Moore


Macfury
Dec 1st, 2009, 04:26 PM
Welcome to MichaelMoore.com (http://www.michaelmoore.com/)

"With just one speech tomorrow night you will turn a multitude of young people who were the backbone of your campaign into disillusioned cynics. You will teach them what they've always heard is true that all politicians are alike. I simply can't believe you're about to do what they say you are going to do. Please say it isn't so."

I have no respect for Moore, but I find it interesting to watch the implosion of Obama support.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/images/MichaelMoore_Getty_400.jpg

eMacMan
Dec 1st, 2009, 04:36 PM
Moore has held in there longer than BO deserves.

After nearly a year BO has shown no interest whatsoever in getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Nor has he shut down Gitmo or any other CIA torture facility. His health care plan has been drafted entirely to benefit Big Pharma and the Health Insurance machine. And he supported handing over trillions of taxpayer dollars to the banksters.

I said when he was running that I feared his change would be more of the same and now it has reached the point where even Michael Moore has to admit that is so.

groovetube
Dec 1st, 2009, 04:41 PM
it's not like they are going to be flocking en masse to vote republican which will do 10 times over what they are disillusioned with.

eMacMan
Dec 1st, 2009, 05:03 PM
it's not like they are going to be flocking en masse to vote republican which will do 10 times over what they are disillusioned with.

More likely having learned that they really are all the same they will vote: "None of the Above" by staying home or some will do what I will do and send their worthless vote to a third party.

MazterCBlazter
Dec 1st, 2009, 05:22 PM
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chas_m
Dec 1st, 2009, 05:53 PM
I really think you guys are not giving Obama enough credit. Believe me, there are several issues I believe he could solve (literally) overnight via executive order and he has not done so, but wars are EXTREMELY complicated things to get out of, and as Vietnam showed everyone the withdrawal HAS to be done EXACTLY right or it will be a stain one wears forever. When you also factor in a weak economy, America's growing impotence AND (and this is the key thing) a Congress that is even more brimming with demonstrably mad and idiotic people than usual, this is a hugely difficult job and frankly a year is nowhere near enough time.

Not to mention a 24/7 noise machine and about 20-25% of the population dedicated to the goal of Eternal Republican-Only Rule (aka party dictatorship a la Russia) -- that is to say dedicated to abandoning democracy itself -- I'm pretty impressed with what he HAS accomplished so far, particularly overseas. Though, again, there are things I wish he'd do or have done VERY differently in his first year.

Here's the thing: Bush left the US in such a total and complete mess that we're STILL discovering just how f'd up it really was, and Bush was just the last in a series of Republican "CEO" presidents who let the infrastructure of the US *rot* and never met an industry that couldn't be deregulated while skimming off all the cream for their buddies. It's not just particular agenda items (like "close Gitmo"), it's the host of obstacles that stand (or crop up) to get in the way of that. This crap will take at least a COUPLE of two-term Democratic presidents -- with no intervening idiots -- to completely undo IMHO.

I'll be quite amazed if Obama manages to get half of his agenda accomplished by the end of his first term, and for those who are "disappointed" -- oh yeah, the Republicans are offering viable candidates!! NOT!

Seriously, have you LOOKED at the leading contenders so far?? I mean, forget ideology or bias for a moment and look at the Einsteins the Grumpy Old People would run against Obama at this point. Let's not forget that America was already well on its way to being ruined when Bush was "re" elected (tricky terminology there), I think Obama has a considerable way to fall before he would be replaced by any of THOSE mouth-breathing imbeciles. As long as Obama continues to make SOME progress on all fronts, a second term for him is in the bag, and the Republicans know it.

Obama isn't perfect, but the real disappointment is misplaced, IMO. The people whom Americans should be most upset with is the Democratic Party, for not turning the Republicans' own rule changes against them and "ramming" the agenda through right away. Had they done that, a year from now (the next elections) I think the economy, the war situations (and related ephemera like Gitmo), the health-care plan and a bunch of other stuff would be up and running well by now, and the Republicans wouldn't stand a chance in any race higher than mayor. Had they done that, Obama might have been crowned King by 2012.

Specifically, I think Steny Hoyer and Harry Reid and the "blue dog" corporatist Democrats need to go, and as soon as possible. After all, no matter what plans he has, Obama can only do what the law* and Congress will fund/let him do ...

*not that that ever stopped Bush/Cheney, but at least the new guy wants to play by the rules ...

Dr.G.
Dec 1st, 2009, 06:29 PM
"I really think you guys are not giving Obama enough credit." I strongly agree, chas_m. This is like blaming FDR for the Depression when he took office in 1933. Much of the damage was starting to emerge as Bush left office, with the economy and foreign wars. Obama did raise expectations, but the reality of being president under the conditions with which he entered office is sobering.

I say, give him this term and a second term and then come out with valid comments re his failures. We shall see.

Paix, mon ami.

eMacMan
Dec 1st, 2009, 06:30 PM
Sorry but it's increasingly obvious that with a few exceptions (Kucinich and Ron Paul) the entire lot has sold their souls to the Banksters, MI complex, Monsanto, Big Pharma and the health insurance conglomerate. The entire crew is rotted to the core.

GratuitousApplesauce
Dec 1st, 2009, 06:49 PM
I was never under any illusion that Obama would "save the world" nor do I think were a lot of others.

Michael Moore represents a political view that is held by maybe 20% of Americans (just a guess off the top of my head). I would also be in that general camp. But unlike Moore, I realize that if a leader was to do only the things I wanted done, that leader would create a massive backlash. The leader has to proceed by doing what is possible, keeping in mind there is a lot of political power in the other part of the population that didn't vote for that leader.

Part of the reason for the massive implosion of the Republican right is that the Bush admin and the GOP Congress increasingly catered only to their fringe and ignored much of the the other 80%. Eventually even the middle and the centre-right saw the Bush admin as extremist.

I'd say it's quite a balancing act to try and lead a country as polarized as the USA. I personally think Obama is being far too timid in his actions, but as chas_m points out, it isn't all down to him. For instance on the issue of health care a few jerks are holding up bringing the USA in line with the rest of the developed world. The fact that 60 votes in the Senate are required to get anything done is profoundly undemocratic and gives the minority massive power over the majority.

When I consider whether he's doing a good job or not, I shudder when I think of what the alternative was. Ailing old McCain and brainless Palin, -- yikes! The world really dodged a bullet when the USA avoided putting those clowns in charge.

It's funny that on one hand MF is happy to characterize Obama as a dangerous socialist and then on the other hand notes how the dangerous socialists like Moore are unhappy with him because he hasn't really done what they hoped he might do.

MazterCBlazter
Dec 1st, 2009, 07:05 PM
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Macfury
Dec 1st, 2009, 08:02 PM
If Obama continues on his current disastrous course, he will create the perfect storm to usher in a Sarah Palin presidency.

groovetube
Dec 1st, 2009, 08:20 PM
it's hilarious to watch those shrieking shrilly warnings about Obama's Orwellian course were the very ones defending Bush.

OOh but they weren't defending Bush. Slippery lot...

MazterCBlazter
Dec 1st, 2009, 08:27 PM
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Dr.G.
Dec 1st, 2009, 08:30 PM
MCB, it is no small task for anyone. Even FDR, who did a great deal to end the suffering brought on by the Great Depression, could not honestly say that he ended the massive unemployment in the US. His policies were sound, but the depth of the problem handed to him by Hoover was such that it took the second world war to end double-digit unemployment in the US.

chasMac
Dec 1st, 2009, 08:32 PM
it's hilarious to watch those shrieking shrilly warnings about Obama's Orwellian course were the very ones defending Bush.

OOh but they weren't defending Bush. Slippery lot...

The only one shrieking shrilly here is Moore - you know, calls him the new "war president", maybe the label will stick; but maybe he's real slippery and is a Bush defender, as you seem to suggest Obama critics are.

groovetube
Dec 1st, 2009, 08:59 PM
The only one shrieking shrilly here is Moore - you know, calls him the new "war president", maybe the label will stick; but maybe he's real slippery and is a Bush defender, as you seem to suggest Obama critics are.

oh I really don't think Moore is the -only- one shrieking lol...

kps
Dec 1st, 2009, 09:41 PM
Moore's an ass, perhaps he should run for the presidency.

It's been a year since Obama got elected and he's done nothing, it's about time he stopped dilly dallying and made a decision on something. LOL

Macfury
Dec 1st, 2009, 10:23 PM
Trying to undo the snowballing momentum of the Bush Error is no small task for superman.

The Obama presidency is the creation of an incompetent Bush Administration--a boomerang resulting from his incompetence. President Palin may be the result of an incompetent Obama Administration.

groovetube
Dec 1st, 2009, 10:34 PM
well at least I can now explain Harper.

lol.

kps
Dec 1st, 2009, 10:36 PM
well at least I can now explain Harper.

lol.

...and Iggy?

What's the explanation there?

SINC
Dec 1st, 2009, 10:48 PM
...and Iggy?

What's the explanation there?

Oh, not much. :D

groovetube
Dec 1st, 2009, 10:54 PM
...and Iggy?

What's the explanation there?

Has he taken power already?

holy geez I thought that nap was long...

or, did you guys fully expect him to actually oust Harper, er, despite Sinc posting that cartoon every chance he gets.
;)

eMacMan
Dec 2nd, 2009, 12:20 AM
Uh BO is increasing troop levels in Afghanistan by 75%. Talk about following the course laid out by a lying moron. :ptptptptp

Macfury
Dec 2nd, 2009, 12:25 AM
Uh BO is increasing troop levels in Afghanistan by 75%. Talk about following the course laid out by a lying moron. :ptptptptp

Sure Obama is a prostitute... but he has a great set of pipes!

HowEver
Dec 2nd, 2009, 12:58 AM
So here's the thing. The push in Afghanistan might be necessary to end the war.

If it works, the US is out of there soon.

If it doesn't, Obama fails and you get to say You Told Him So.

But hey, this is 2011 and you can write history already.

As for health care, covering 40 million who aren't covered now is a failure how?

Macfury
Dec 2nd, 2009, 02:32 AM
As for health care, covering 40 million who aren't covered now is a failure how?

Because only a small number of those are not covered by choice. Because Obama's plan will cost more overall than current health care. Because it will make private insurance more expensive for those who want it. Because it will curtail service and treatment. Because a majority of Americans are wary of the idea. Because America can't afford it, except by printing money or borrowing it from the Chinese.

MazterCBlazter
Dec 2nd, 2009, 03:19 AM
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friend
Dec 2nd, 2009, 07:05 AM
I to agree with Chas.

And what's the harm in waiting and see how it turns out,
instead of judging BO for not putting it all straight in one go?
If I look at it with my European eyes I can see that just having yer man in office
have changed peoples perception about and interest for the US tremendously.
The public and the politician are talking about the US in such positive terms that I haven't heard
for a decade or two. hat goes for most countries over here. That will help things a lot, I tell youse for nothing.
The reluctancy in being associated with the US has more or less gone.
And that's due to one man taking up office.

Another thing is health care.
In Europe health care has been available for all with little or no cost to the individual
for decades. It's payed for by taxes and it bloody well works.
It not communism or death patrols or what have you in the mind of some Americans.
It is just common sense and in the end society as a whole have benefitted greatly from it.
I, myself being non-polical in the sense I vote but do not have any particular party sympathies,
do not see BO as a lefty, but as right wing. The politics he stands for is far right for
the Swedish conservatives or for Fianna Fil back home in Ireland.
I say give the lad a chance.

Macfury
Dec 2nd, 2009, 08:17 AM
There's no harm in waiting to see how it turns out--since nobody can do a blessed thing but point out how wrong-headed he is until the mid-terms when his presidency will be crippled. Poll numbers and support are crumbling in the U.S., while overseas, Obama is wining no new friends. Most Bush policies are continuing unabated. The U.S. is so crippled with foreign owed debt that even China is wagging its fingers at Obama economic policy to protect its own vast holdings. Obama appears confused and asea on almost every major issue. One can, I suppose, give him credit for appearing on more television programs than any other U.S. president.

What's to applaud?

friend
Dec 2nd, 2009, 08:22 AM
What's to applaud?
On the other hand,
What's there to clip him around the ears for? :)

I have a notion that it will soon get clearer and more focused.

Macfury
Dec 2nd, 2009, 08:28 AM
On the other hand,
What's there to clip him around the ears for? :)

I have a notion that it will soon get clearer and more focused.

I believe he's made his intentions clear--and that the majority of the U.S. no longer has any goodwill to extend to him. It's probably fortunate that with a majority in the House and Senate he still can't garner enough support for his policies, after alienating a large contingent of his own party. When a Rasmussen poll shows that 71 per cent of Americans are "angry" with the performance of the federal government, the numbers don't support a strictly partisan dismissal.

friend
Dec 2nd, 2009, 09:39 AM
I believe he's made his intentions clear--and that the majority of the U.S. no longer has any goodwill to extend to him. It's probably fortunate that with a majority in the House and Senate he still can't garner enough support for his policies, after alienating a large contingent of his own party. When a Rasmussen poll shows that 71 per cent of Americans are "angry" with the performance of the federal government, the numbers don't support a strictly partisan dismissal.
Difficult to get a feel for the public opinion from this side of the pond,
so I can't really determine which way the water flows.

Still, I must say I feel much better moving to the wife next year
with BO as President then arriving with Palin as VP. ;)

ehMax
Dec 2nd, 2009, 10:01 AM
There's no harm in waiting to see how it turns out--since nobody can do a blessed thing but point out how wrong-headed he is until the mid-terms when his presidency will be crippled. Poll numbers and support are crumbling in the U.S., while overseas, Obama is wining no new friends. Most Bush policies are continuing unabated. The U.S. is so crippled with foreign owed debt that even China is wagging its fingers at Obama economic policy to protect its own vast holdings. Obama appears confused and asea on almost every major issue. One can, I suppose, give him credit for appearing on more television programs than any other U.S. president.

What's to applaud?

Yay, its another one of these:

It means that I enjoy the novelty of posting about something where I actually have no idea what has happened.

MannyP Design
Dec 2nd, 2009, 10:15 AM
It's never fun cleaning up someone else's mess. Some people would rather just give a quick once-over and leave the real mess for someone else to deal with. It took 8 years to mess everything up, and now we want it fixed in less than 1?

Seriously?

eMacMan
Dec 2nd, 2009, 11:02 AM
It's never fun cleaning up someone else's mess. Some people would rather just give a quick once-over and leave the real mess for someone else to deal with. It took 8 years to mess everything up, and now we want it fixed in less than 1?

Seriously?

Nope just some serious effort. He could of started by pointing out that the Shrub committed what many Americans consider to be treason in order to get the country into these wars. That would leave him the out he needs to withdraw as quickly as possible. Instead he repeats the lies and escalates the occupations.

Like I said during the election he is a great talker but I judge a man by what he does not what he says. Particularly so when the two are almost exact opposites.

HowEver
Dec 2nd, 2009, 11:17 AM
Because only a small number of those are not covered by choice. Because Obama's plan will cost more overall than current health care. Because it will make private insurance more expensive for those who want it. Because it will curtail service and treatment. Because a majority of Americans are wary of the idea. Because America can't afford it, except by printing money or borrowing it from the Chinese.

Not covered by choice? That is a complete fiction. You spend too much time watching TV. Add on those who are currently 'covered' but lose their health care once they get sick.

Cost more? Even if were true, so? Which medical procedures do you forego because they "cost more" than not having coverage? Figure out what they cost, and send a check to Ottawa. So that you don't cost us more.

Making private insurance expensive? Nixon made private health insurance companies massive money making operations. They can suck it up, tighten their belts, offer more, charge less. They won't.

Curtail service and treatment? Like in Canada? The UK? France? Right.

Americans are wary of it? Which ones, the ones who believe there will be "death panels," or the ones who can read? They should be wary. Wariness is good.

America can't afford it: that's the most fun of all. Americans should let the poor die by the millions, untreated and uncared for, because borrowing another trillion for health care (and not warplanes) is wrong. Who exactly borrowed those funds from the Chinese anyways? How does the meme of the week becomes an excuse for not providing health care?

absolutetotalgeek
Dec 2nd, 2009, 01:27 PM
Talk about taking a job where you're so under qualified it's just ridiculous. There was simply no choice on who to vote for. He's got about as much business being president of the US as Chevy Chase.

He's done nothing, he won't do anything worth while and he's about to get more and more US soldiers killed for no good reason.

Ya, he's awesome. :lmao:

Mind you we got Harper soooooo..... :yikes:

Dr.G.
Dec 2nd, 2009, 01:28 PM
It's never fun cleaning up someone else's mess. Some people would rather just give a quick once-over and leave the real mess for someone else to deal with. It took 8 years to mess everything up, and now we want it fixed in less than 1?

Seriously?

A very valid point, Manny P, especially given the extent of the mess and the timebombs that were left ticking once Bush left office.

eMacMan
Dec 2nd, 2009, 01:37 PM
Talk about taking a job where you're so under qualified it's just ridiculous. There was simply no choice on who to vote for. He's got about as much business being president of the US as Chevy Chase.

He's done nothing, he won't do anything worth while and he's about to get more and more US soldiers killed for no good reason.

Ya, he's awesome. :lmao:

Mind you we got Harper soooooo..... :yikes:

I believe the folks at the various arms manufacturing plants would point out that lining their pockets is an excellent reason.beejacon

MannyP Design
Dec 2nd, 2009, 03:44 PM
Nope just some serious effort. He could of started by pointing out that the Shrub committed what many Americans consider to be treason in order to get the country into these wars. That would leave him the out he needs to withdraw as quickly as possible. Instead he repeats the lies and escalates the occupations.

Like I said during the election he is a great talker but I judge a man by what he does not what he says. Particularly so when the two are almost exact opposites.A quick exit is not the solution, regardless as to whether or not Obama pulls the trigger on Bush.

What I find interesting is the knee-jerk (re)actions of the previous President are what got the U.S. in trouble in the first place: war, poverty, debt, unemployment, bankruptcy.

Obama inherited on helluva to-do list.

Adrian.
Dec 2nd, 2009, 03:48 PM
it's not like they are going to be flocking en masse to vote republican which will do 10 times over what they are disillusioned with.

Agreed.

+1

How can some of you bitch that the health bill is giving into some of Big Pharma and health insurer's demands when the republicans have had a not so secret incestuous relationship with them for 75 years?

Macfury
Dec 2nd, 2009, 07:13 PM
Not covered by choice? That is a complete fiction. You spend too much time watching TV. Add on those who are currently 'covered' but lose their health care once they get sick.

Cost more? Even if were true, so? Which medical procedures do you forego because they "cost more" than not having coverage? Figure out what they cost, and send a check to Ottawa. So that you don't cost us more.

Making private insurance expensive? Nixon made private health insurance companies massive money making operations. They can suck it up, tighten their belts, offer more, charge less. They won't.

Curtail service and treatment? Like in Canada? The UK? France? Right.

Americans are wary of it? Which ones, the ones who believe there will be "death panels," or the ones who can read? They should be wary. Wariness is good.

America can't afford it: that's the most fun of all. Americans should let the poor die by the millions, untreated and uncared for, because borrowing another trillion for health care (and not warplanes) is wrong. Who exactly borrowed those funds from the Chinese anyways? How does the meme of the week becomes an excuse for not providing health care?


That's amazingly obtuse However. We can take this all back to an American Health Care thread and I can make mincemeat of the points one by one. I do agree, however, that Nixon's HMO Act was an unwarranted act of interference into the free market. and largely the cause of most of the problems in the U.S. health care system.

Macfury
Dec 2nd, 2009, 07:15 PM
Obama inherited on helluva to-do list.

True, but I can only see that he has made each item on the list somewhat worse, and spent more than any president in history doing it.

GratuitousApplesauce
Dec 2nd, 2009, 08:05 PM
OK the death panels he proposed were one thing, but this time he's gone too far ...

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chas_m
Dec 2nd, 2009, 08:17 PM
It's been a year since Obama got elected and he's done nothing

Actually, he's done a really impressive amount. He just hasn't done whatever it is you're paying attention to.

More importantly, he has yet to "fail" at anything except getting Gitmo closed in a year. As far as I can tell, that's his SOLE broken promise, and he still plans on doing it -- but the problem of course is that he hamstrung himself by deciding to only go by the law and Constitution in sorting out the mess. That REALLY makes a tough job more difficult, since Gitmo (and EVERYTHING that has gone on there) is by definition extra-legal.

Again, the good thing about the US system is that Obama and his administration have a finite amount of time to prove themselves. Given the huge problems the US created and faces for itself, one year is not NEARLY enough time. Let's come back and have this discussion on his THIRD anniversary in office and I think we'll have a much better picture of where he stood up and where he fell down, and (most importantly) whether he deserves to continue, or whether the Republicans have (miracle of miracles) found someone sane and competent they'll run against him.

My guess is that even if Obama doesn't work out particularly well or can't get his agenda passed, he'll STILL get a second term because the Republicans will inevitably choose a complete nincompoop as his challenger. The only thing that can sink Obama as far as I can see would be another major depression, or a sex scandal. Americans hate both of those, but they forgive pretty much everything else.

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Dec 2nd, 2009, 08:28 PM
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I love Obama's comical opposition. They are so stupid they make the cast of HEE HAW look like Einstein's heirs.

But what I really don't get is -- what's the point of discussing this NOW? No matter HOW MUCH you disagree with, or are disappointed by, or just plain hate The Black Guy -- whatever your rationale -- there is absolutely NOTHING you can do about it for almost three years.

Whether you like it or not, Obama is going to be in charge of the US until 2012, and if he isn't for some reason, Joe Biden is. Either way, all the whinging in the world (and we've got some world-class diaper-wearers in this thread!) isn't going to change that.

Obama's opponents get their chance to change it in 2012. Not this month, not this year (and moving a few members of Congress around, again, makes no real difference). It would be best, I think, to let Obama pursue his agenda, then judge whether or not it works (as we did with Bush). Time will tell more than a thousand blathering pundits.

So until he really HAS a track record, AND has his job on the line, talking about him seems pointless to me. He's in charge. He'll stand or fall on what he's able to do, but first the US has to let him try to do it.

Dr.G.
Dec 2nd, 2009, 08:46 PM
OK the death panels he proposed were one thing, but this time he's gone too far ...



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Dr.G.
Dec 2nd, 2009, 08:48 PM
As well, if you call in the next 20 minutes, I shall throw in the barge under the Brooklyn Bridge.

Call in the next two minutes, and I'll throw in the Williamsburg Bridge as well.

groovetube
Dec 2nd, 2009, 09:11 PM
True, but I can only see that he has made each item on the list somewhat worse, and spent more than any president in history doing it.

I think we're painfully aware that your glass is half empty.

SINC
Dec 2nd, 2009, 09:20 PM
I think we're painfully aware that your glass is half empty.

Just as we all are aware of your perceived sniping ability. :yawn:

groovetube
Dec 2nd, 2009, 09:26 PM
that's what happens Sinc. you post an opinion, and godammit if someone else responds and they don't agree.

Life sucks sometimes.

SINC
Dec 2nd, 2009, 09:51 PM
that's what happens Sinc. you post an opinion, and godammit if someone else responds and they don't agree.

Life sucks sometimes.

Yep, yet another failed snipe. :yawn:

groovetube
Dec 2nd, 2009, 10:07 PM
Yep, yet another failed snipe. :yawn:

you thought -that- was a snipe?

ok nevermind.

(disclaimer. This is not a snipe. Just in, case)

kps
Dec 2nd, 2009, 10:22 PM
^^Must be your avatar...:lmao:

Macfury
Dec 2nd, 2009, 10:49 PM
Just as we all are aware of your perceived sniping ability. :yawn:

SINC: I think it would do just as well to put all four snipes beside the cat's head, and then let people choose the one they think is the least boring.

groovetube
Dec 2nd, 2009, 11:23 PM
^^Must be your avatar...:lmao:

I guess? Must be something like that jeez they take it so damn serious now they're speaking in tongues or something. Yikes.
:lmao:

eMacMan
Dec 7th, 2009, 12:29 AM
So to divert our eyes away from the reversed pullout from Afghanistan, BO has recommitted himself to hunting down Osama BL.

Now I have been convinced for several years that Osama is dead and buried, so if I was the actor that had that CIA video gig just before the 2004 election I would definitely pull a disappearing act as BO is gonna want to see a corpse.

MannyP Design
Dec 7th, 2009, 09:30 AM
True, but I can only see that he has made each item on the list somewhat worse, and spent more than any president in history doing it.

I'm pretty sure it was Bush that managed that just before his departure.

Griz
Dec 7th, 2009, 11:14 AM
Meh...

Macfury
Dec 7th, 2009, 11:58 AM
I'm pretty sure it was Bush that managed that just before his departure.

Obama holds the new record, and not by a trice.

groovetube
Dec 8th, 2009, 09:55 AM
macfury wants you all to forget the absolute disaster the republicans left. No Obamas worse!!! I know you are! But what am I????

So lets hand a new president, the most incredible disaster in US, no, world history, and then slam him even though he's barely been in office for a year.

Intelligence, at it's finest! Do all libertarians think like that? No wonder they are in the minority and will stay that way... (thankfully)

There is plenty to criticize of the new president. But to shriek incessantly that he is worse than Bush at this point, is just plain silly.

Macfury
Dec 8th, 2009, 10:41 AM
By all means remeber how bad the Republicans were, so that you can understand how much worse Obama is. World records must be tested against benchmarks.

groovetube
Dec 8th, 2009, 01:26 PM
Bush had his 2 full terms, Obama's just barely gotten past his first year, so, I think I'll reserve such harsh judgement based on real performance, not your "beliefs". Apparently you enjoy your "beliefs".
;)

Macfury
Dec 8th, 2009, 02:51 PM
He's already won! Quite an achievement, I'll grant him that. We can only wait so see how much more he achieves, though the mid-term elections look like they'll put a damper on his ambitious plans.

Darien Red Sox
Dec 8th, 2009, 04:48 PM
Look at what he is doing for Christmas:-(
Catholic League: Obamas Would Like to Neuter Christmas - Catholic Online (http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=34981)
It seems now that he is in office his idea of change is to take any morality that was left in the United States and beat it out. He also refused to sign Eagle Scout awards turds the beginning of his term and did not begin doing this until he was faced with lots of criticism. Looks like down hear in the United States we have been stuck with two bad presidents in a row:mad: Hopefully his term will only last for 4 years and then we will get some one decent in.

MannyP Design
Dec 8th, 2009, 05:39 PM
Look at what he is doing for Christmas:-(
Catholic League: Obamas Would Like to Neuter Christmas - Catholic Online (http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=34981)
It seems now that he is in office his idea of change is to take any morality that was left in the United States and beat it out. He also refused to sign Eagle Scout awards turds the beginning of his term and did not begin doing this until he was faced with lots of criticism. Looks like down hear in the United States we have been stuck with two bad presidents in a row:mad: Hopefully his term will only last for 4 years and then we will get some one decent in.He also doesn't give birthday gifts either. I guess he wants to neuter that for everyone as well. :rolleyes:

Give me a break. :lmao:

chas_m
Dec 8th, 2009, 06:13 PM
Some people are so unbelieveably stupid -- or consumed by hatred -- that they will believe anything:

snopes.com: White House Ban on Religious Christmas Ornaments (http://www.snopes.com/politics/christmas/ornaments.asp)

Obama is the MOST Christian (as in "tries to live by the principles espoused by Jesus Christ") president we've elected since Jimmy Carter. For some people, that's actually a mark against him.

The idea that he would like to -- or could -- "neuter" Christmas is more drivel from the same people that brought you (and continue to bring you) the "War on Christmas" every year. That "war" has been about as successful as the other Wars On Concepts, including the war on poverty, the war on drugs, and the war on terra.

But paranoid loons continue to believe -- in mavericky defiance of those pesky left-leaning facts -- that Obama hates Christmas (or that Muslims hate Christmas, which they actually do not).

Here's a picture of Obama at 10 years old in a madrassa learning to hate Christians:
http://www.obamamagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/obama-christmas.jpg

and here's a picture of the more adult Obama and his obvious hatred of all things Nol-related:
http://wonkette.com/assets/resources/2008/02/barry_sweatervest-thumb.jpg

Notice how he has his BACK to the tree. AN OBVIOUS SIGN OF DISRESPECT!!!

PS. And while we're on the subject, your first objection was full of crap too:
Friendly Atheist by @hemantsblog So Much for Obama Rejecting the Boy Scouts (http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/03/04/so-much-for-obama-rejecting-the-boy-scouts/)
Scoutmaster: Honorary President of the Boy Scouts of America (http://scoutmaster.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/03/honorary-president-of-the-boy-scouts-of-america.html)
Clarifying President Obama's Policy Regard Boy Scouts of America | BoyandGirlScouts.com - News, Opinion, Advice (http://www.boyandgirlscouts.com/recognition/clarifying-president-obamas-policy-regard-boy-scouts-of-america/)

Darien, you might want to look into getting a better/more accurate source for your "news." :)

Macfury
Dec 8th, 2009, 06:19 PM
That's a Noel Tree.

groovetube
Dec 8th, 2009, 06:46 PM
He's already won! Quite an achievement, I'll grant him that. We can only wait so see how much more he achieves, though the mid-term elections look like they'll put a damper on his ambitious plans.

oh! He's outdone the biggest financial meltdown in US history, as well as the biggest expensive war blunder (Iraq in case you weren't watching...)

apparently folks macfury lives in a cave.

Oh right I forgot, your beliefs and all.:lmao:

Macfury
Dec 8th, 2009, 06:55 PM
Hail to the chief...

eMacMan
Dec 8th, 2009, 11:09 PM
Don't hate BO, Don't even loath him. It is truly a pleasure being able to understand what a president is saying. Problem is that what he does has so little resemblance to what he says.

Macfury
Dec 8th, 2009, 11:12 PM
Don't hate BO, Don't even loath him. It is truly a pleasure being able to understand what a president is saying. Problem is that what he does has so little resemblance to what he says.

"Some folks are sayin' that I don't keep my promises..."

Darien Red Sox
Dec 9th, 2009, 09:40 AM
In fairness I should point out that as much as many people are critical of Obama's actions he is not the only one right now under fire, take a look at my own state and you will see that there are a lot of politicians in trouble who have the public mad at them.

I think is large part the criticism of Obama and Christmas is out of fear that it could lead to an anti-religious or anti-Catholic moment in Washington, which might sound like it would not happen but people fear it could happen because of some stuff going on at the state level.

If you lived in my state you would have some fear after some of the stuff that has been going on in Hartford lately. First off it started with a bill a few years ago that required Catholic Hospitals to provide and offer treatments that are ageist our religion. Things got even worst when a same-sex couple rights bill was tried to be passed which did not grant an exception for religious organizations, at first religious organizations asked for an exception for them to be included in the bill which would leave it up to churches whether or not to marry same-sex couples in there church but the people up in Hartford did not want any part of that. People decided to protest and get the bill stopped, but Hartford did not like this and attempted to pass a rule that would limit specificity Catholics rights to protest because "they are an unregistered lobbyist group" even though the protests were organized by the people and not the church. Thankfully this was quickly shot down by the States ethic committee but it still put fear in a lot of people. When it comes to religious freedom, the US is a whole different story than Canada with it taking years after the Constitution to actuality give people religious freedom as the Constitution only granted the freedom at a national level but still allowed states to set a state religion and my own home state did not have religious freedom until around 1850 although people were discriminated ageist well into to 20th century and there is still some discrimination today.

It is part of the Job of being precedent to be hated, discussions you make in the white house will always offend some people, as some one once said you get elected and all ready about 50% of the people hate you, you start making decisions and before you know it even more people hate you, it is just part of the job.

Macfury
Dec 9th, 2009, 10:59 AM
... as some one once said you get elected and all ready about 50% of the people hate you, you start making decisions and before you know it even more people hate you, it is just part of the job.

This is true. Once you blow the initial goodwill the other half initially extended you, there's little hope for a contented electorate.

CubaMark
Dec 9th, 2009, 01:18 PM
So our American cousins appear hell-bent on dooming themselves to more corporate health"care"...

Senate kills off Obama plans for major healthcare reforms | The Australian (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/senate-kills-off-obama-plans-for-major-healthcare-reforms/story-e6frg6n6-1225808853684)

Bill Maher said it best... Bill Maher: Is This as Good as It Gets From Obama? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/is-this-as-good-as-it-get_b_343144.html)

SINC
Dec 9th, 2009, 01:21 PM
Hmmm, this 'bout sums it up:

eMacMan
Dec 12th, 2009, 01:25 AM
Am I the only one that found BOs Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech to be the height of hypocrisy?:confused: