: End of an era - Ted Kennedy gone


MacDoc
Aug 26th, 2009, 05:04 AM
http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/nm_ted_kennedy_obit_090120_mn.jpg

Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77 - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TedKennedy/story?id=6692022)

Dr.G.
Aug 26th, 2009, 05:12 AM
MacDoc, I just heard the news myself. He was one of the most powerful and influential senators in American history and one of three brothers whose political triumphs and personal tragedies captivated the nation for decades. He shall be greatly missed.

Rest in Peace.

Dr.G.
Aug 26th, 2009, 05:20 AM
I still recall back in 1980, when, speaking at the Democratic convention, he invoked his brothers and promised: "Programs may sometimes become obsolete, but the idea of fairness always endures," he proclaimed. "Circumstances may change, but the work of compassion must continue. . . ."

He congratulated Carter and then concluded his speech with the passion and defiance that had become vintage Kennedy: "For me, a few hours ago, this campaign came to an end. For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

chas_m
Aug 26th, 2009, 07:38 AM
I can only hope this will fire up the Democrats (and the non-insurance-company-employees) to start taking a stand and push through health insurance for all. Obama and the rest of them need some fire in the belly to take on a tough fight and win, may this be their impetus.

Dr.G.
Aug 26th, 2009, 08:04 AM
I can only hope this will fire up the Democrats (and the non-insurance-company-employees) to start taking a stand and push through health insurance for all. Obama and the rest of them need some fire in the belly to take on a tough fight and win, may this be their impetus.

Amen, chas. This was a cause for which Ted Kennedy fought long and hard. We shall see. Paix, mon ami.

MazterCBlazter
Aug 26th, 2009, 08:54 AM
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Dr.G.
Aug 26th, 2009, 09:15 AM
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Huge loss for humanity. RIP Mr. Kennedy, many thanks for your great work.

Very true, MCB, and a fine tribute. Paix, mon ami.

MissGulch
Aug 26th, 2009, 09:52 AM
He spent much of his carrier working for health care reform, and I'm sorry he didn't live to see a bill passed. Thanks for your hard work, Teddy.

SINC
Aug 26th, 2009, 09:57 AM
I've never quite understood why there is so much resistence to universal health care in the USA. They seem to equate it somehow with "socialism" and I doubt they have a true understanding of the term.

Kennedy's work went a long way towards reform and we should all be thankful for his efforts. RIP Teddy.

chas_m
Aug 26th, 2009, 10:38 AM
I've never quite understood why there is so much resistence to universal health care in the USA. They seem to equate it somehow with "socialism" and I doubt they have a true understanding of the term.

No, sadly they don't have any idea whatsoever of the term. Not really their fault, they weren't taught anything about it in schools for the past 30 years.

Kennedy's work went a long way towards reform and we should all be thankful for his efforts. RIP Teddy.

In particular -- apart from the health care I hope will eventually pass -- he should be remembered for lowering the voting age to 18, and for Title IX, which mandated that women's sports be funded on par with men's sports in schools. Both things all Americans have benefited from.

Dr.G.
Aug 26th, 2009, 11:11 AM
He spent much of his carrier working for health care reform, and I'm sorry he didn't live to see a bill passed. Thanks for your hard work, Teddy.

Very true, Miss G. Very true.

Macfury
Aug 26th, 2009, 11:48 AM
RIP Mary Jo Kopechne (July 26, 1940 July 18, 1969).

Macfury
Aug 26th, 2009, 11:54 AM
I've never quite understood why there is so much resistence to universal health care in the USA. They seem to equate it somehow with "socialism" and I doubt they have a true understanding of the term.


Some people may find it a palatable form of socialism, SINC, but that's what it is, both by definition and by application.

EvanPitts
Aug 26th, 2009, 11:58 AM
Seagram's stock is going to take a pounding, and I expect they will close at least one distillery because of this, simply because there will be much more supply now that a substantial source of demand is gone... beejacon

esquilo22
Aug 26th, 2009, 12:13 PM
He'll definitely be miss.

Dr.G.
Aug 26th, 2009, 12:27 PM
My wife just asked me what sort of president he might have made. Personally, I think that he would have been a better president than his brother, John, but not as good a president as Robert might have made. Still, Ted Kennedy was a far more effective senator than either of his two brothers combined. So, he made his impact upon the national scene, and the people of the US are far better off today due to many of the legislation and iniatives with which he was involved.

Macfury
Aug 26th, 2009, 12:31 PM
My wife just asked me what sort of president he might have made. Personally, I think that he would have been a better president than his brother, John, but not as good a president as Robert might have made. Still, Ted Kennedy was a far more effective senator than either of his two brothers combined. So, he made his impact upon the national scene, and the people of the US are far better off today due to many of the legislation and iniatives with which he was involved.

I'm grateful that the scenario of Ted Kennedy as President of the United States was never visited upon the world.

MissGulch
Aug 26th, 2009, 12:46 PM
I'm grateful that the scenario of Ted Kennedy as President of the United States was never visited upon the world.

I'm grateful that the scenario of Macfury as President of the United States was never visited upon the world. :D

MazterCBlazter
Aug 26th, 2009, 12:48 PM
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Macfury
Aug 26th, 2009, 01:41 PM
Having failed in my intention to be born in the United States, I must humbly decline the nomination.

ScanMan
Aug 26th, 2009, 01:42 PM
Now he can finally apologize to Mary Jo.

EvanPitts
Aug 26th, 2009, 02:24 PM
I'm grateful that the scenario of Ted Kennedy as President of the United States was never visited upon the world.
It would have made for entertaining Summit meetings between him, and say, notable drunkards like Yeltsin or Sadat...

But then, drunkeness is really not an impediment when it comes to leadership, seeing that MacDonald was Canada's greatest Prime Minister but was no stranger to the bottle, and that Churchill in a drunken, cigar chomping stupor entirely wiped the abstainer Hitler off the map.

Ted did run, but didn't the Democrats decide to back Gary Hart instead? The Democrats have a proclivity with "pants-down" leaders...

Rps
Aug 26th, 2009, 02:32 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought he ran against Jimmy Carter.

GratuitousApplesauce
Aug 26th, 2009, 05:24 PM
RIP Mary Jo Kopechne (July 26, 1940 July 18, 1969).

Seagram's stock is going to take a pounding, and I expect they will close at least one distillery because of this, simply because there will be much more supply now that a substantial source of demand is gone... beejacon

There was a thread on ehMac when Ronald Reagan died in 2004. A number of those who disagreed with the man's politics took the opportunity to make sarcastic comments and basically present the sentiment "Good riddance". They felt they had their justifications based on their perception of Reagan's criminal responsibilities, which I didn't dispute.

But I took issue with the comments anyway, as I do here. Whatever you think or Reagan or Kennedy is rather irrelevant in this case. Dancing on your opponent's grave doesn't show much character or grace in my opinion. Although this isn't the front page of the New York Times, comments on ehMac are in the public media sphere.

I'll repeat what I said in the Reagan RIP thread:If we are ever going to get beyond a world where terrorists bomb innocents and armies casually drop bombs on other innocents, who each side just reduces to a cartoon-like "enemy", then I think we have to learn to recognize and respect the basic humanity in everyone, without exception.

"Hate the sin and not the sinner is a precept which though easy enough to understand is rarely practiced, and that is why the poison of hatred spreads in the world." - Mohandas K. Gandhi

MazterCBlazter
Aug 26th, 2009, 05:42 PM
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Macfury
Aug 26th, 2009, 07:24 PM
I didn't appreciate Kennedy's efforts and I believe he was a corrupt individual who led his country in the wrong direction. His death doesn't change that or cause me to suddenly respect someone who I did not respect in life.

I believe it's bad karma to celebrate someone's death, but not to honestly assess that person's influence.

Dr.G.
Aug 26th, 2009, 08:02 PM
Each person's life touches the lives of so many other people in so many different ways.

'Littlest refusenik' on Kennedy: 'He saved my life' - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/08/26/littlest.refusenik.kennedy/index.html)

GratuitousApplesauce
Aug 26th, 2009, 08:05 PM
I didn't appreciate Kennedy's efforts and I believe he was a corrupt individual who led his country in the wrong direction. His death doesn't change that or cause me to suddenly respect someone who I did not respect in life.

I believe it's bad karma to celebrate someone's death, but not to honestly assess that person's influence.

You don't respect Kennedy, I didn't respect Reagan. They were human beings with families and loved ones who mourn their passing. You don't have to respect them, but maybe have just enough respect for the basic humanity of another person to not show up somewhere where there is a funeral or memorial for them and start with the mud-slinging.

There's a difference between your abstract image of a person and judgement of that and a real person's life. Let them at least put the guy in the ground. It's called being civilized.

Dr.G.
Aug 26th, 2009, 08:07 PM
"It's called being civilized. " Amen, GA. Paix, mon ami.

Rps
Aug 26th, 2009, 08:18 PM
I may be old fashioned, and while not all of his career was stellar, I feel sorry for the family members who loved him and now have to deal with the loss. I can say I hold empathy for his loved ones, who daily saw him loose another step, look a little weaker, have a thinner shadow. But he was a man of politics, a public man. In the end, he was human ... as are we all.

Macfury
Aug 26th, 2009, 08:19 PM
I was sorry to see Ronald Reagan die, but I perfectly understood the vitriol expressed against him by those who disagreed with his broad influence. I never asked anyone to stop expressing their thoughts regardless of how I felt about them.

The topic here was "The End of an Era," but if it passes for the "Ted Kennedy Memorial and Funeral Thread" on EhMac, I will stop posting in this thread out of deference to those who are actually mourning this guy's passing.

GratuitousApplesauce
Aug 26th, 2009, 08:37 PM
I was sorry to see Ronald Reagan die, but I perfectly understood the vitriol expressed against him by those who disagreed with his broad influence. I never asked anyone to stop expressing their thoughts regardless of how I felt about them.

The topic here was "The End of an Era," but if it passes for the "Ted Kennedy Memorial and Funeral Thread" on EhMac, I will stop posting in this thread out of deference to those who are actually mourning this guy's passing.
Don't be obtuse. It's obviously a memorial thread.

Macfury
Aug 26th, 2009, 08:42 PM
Don't be obtuse. It's obviously a memorial thread.

Sorry bud, some people are mourning this and others don't care. It was posted as a news item.

Dr.G.
Aug 26th, 2009, 11:15 PM
One of Ted Kennedy's finest speeches. Sadly, it was at a moment of tragedy. The final minute is the most touching.

YouTube - Eulogy of Bobby Kennedy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9JTYnMpRyg&feature=related)

Dr.G.
Aug 26th, 2009, 11:25 PM
On the weekend of his presidential inauguration in 1961, John Kennedy gave Ted, the last born of the Kennedy siblings, an engraved cigarette box. It read, "And the last shall be first." That was over 48 years ago. Neither of them knew then in just what ways that prophecy might turn out to be true.

Rest in peace John, Robert and now Edward Kennedy.

MazterCBlazter
Aug 27th, 2009, 12:27 AM
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bryanc
Aug 27th, 2009, 12:43 AM
They don't have the title of "Mein Fuhrer" available.

Now, now... be reasonable. MF doesn't want to be dictator, he just wants to live in a country populated by tough men who don't need any help from anyone, ever. I'm sure you can relate to this fantasy, or, if you're not into homoeroticism, you can add some tough young women who never need any help from anybody ('cept you, of course... ideally if you can swing in through the window dramatically) ;)

Cheers

Macfury
Aug 27th, 2009, 01:15 AM
Thanks for keeping the thread uncluttered for mourners of TK, guys. And let's juice the Hitler references because they always resonate.

Macfury
Aug 27th, 2009, 05:16 PM
I happened to check out the thread marking Jerry Falwell's death.

https://www.ehmac.ca/everything-else-eh/52444-heaven-hell-falwell-dead.html

Some of the same people in this thread who asked for respect for Ted Kennedy did not offer the same respect to Falwell, dredging up his worst moments or merely commenting "Good riddance."

eMacMan
Aug 27th, 2009, 06:11 PM
I happened to check out the thread marking Jerry Falwell's death.

https://www.ehmac.ca/everything-else-eh/52444-heaven-hell-falwell-dead.html

Some of the same people in this thread who asked for respect for Ted Kennedy did not offer the same respect to Falwell, dredging up his worst moments or merely commenting "Good riddance."

Funny after Mary Jo, Ted Kennedy completely turned his personal life around. Didn't make a big deal of it just did it. Yet some have nothing better to do than smear a memorial thread over something that happened over 40 years ago.

Compare that to Nixon who was much more interested in changing the way others saw him than actually changing himself.

Falwell's transgressions were much more recent and I am sure that he has been rewarded appropriately.

Macfury
Aug 27th, 2009, 07:09 PM
So we just have to trust our own judgement on each individual as they die? Some deserve respect and others do not?