: Something is genuinely wrong with Immigration Canada


broken_g3
Aug 14th, 2009, 08:09 PM
What can I say? And people wonder why I have lost faith in our government. Not the Conservatives, or the Liberals, or the NDP, but the structure as a whole. Take a look at this:

Former child soldier fights to stay in Saskatoon (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2009/08/13/sask-deportaion-burma-child-soldier.html)

Nay Myo Hein was a child soldier in Burma, also known as Myanmar, which for those of you who do not know is a regime widely known for its brutality. Remember in September 2007, when hundreds of Bhuddist monks were killed? And Immigration Canada is able to say, with a straight face, that Nay Myo Hein will not face persecution for deserting the Army, and genuinely believes a regime that slaughters monks will certainly be lenient with a deserter.

What are everyone's thoughts on this?

Sonal
Aug 14th, 2009, 08:19 PM
My father grew up in Burma, and left in 1964 when the coup took place and what was a democracy became a socialist/totalitarian government run by the military. I went with him and some of friends of his from school in Rangoon in 2007.

I think it is a terribly stupid and naive to think that there Nay Myo will face no brutality when he returns. Pretty much everyone who was an adult after the coup in Burma has served some time in Jail for some trumped up reason or another.

Burma is a beautiful, resource-rich country and the people there are wonderful. It is an incredibly peaceful place, largely due to the fact that most of the people are devout Buddhists. But the government there is a travesty.

MazterCBlazter
Aug 14th, 2009, 08:21 PM
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sharonmac09
Aug 14th, 2009, 08:44 PM
I believe that MCB is referring to the RCMP Corporal Robert Read and former diplomat Brian McAdam's whistle blowing on the RCMP's coverup. Here's the link that will at least give you the synopsis of the incident. I believe that it has dragged on for years after 1999.

Title: Further details revealed about Hong Kong `scam' (http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~gboychuk/psci332/mcadams.html)

MazterCBlazter
Aug 14th, 2009, 08:50 PM
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sharonmac09
Aug 14th, 2009, 09:00 PM
That's one of the reasons and I think another reason was the powers to be didn't want the investigation to reach the top echelon and cause some senior heads to roll.

MazterCBlazter
Aug 14th, 2009, 09:24 PM
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broken_g3
Aug 14th, 2009, 09:36 PM
Good people that obviously will contribute in a positive way to our society get hassled and raked over the coals, than after if they get kicked out, really horrible things happen to them much of the time. People that should get refugee status end up all too often being scared to death and put through hell worried about getting deported.



Leave it to Immigration Canada to never act on bogus refugees (coming from the United States? WTF?) but oh, of course, do everything in your power send back the harmless Burmese man. That's the goddamn civil service for you, but our Immigration agency in particular.

chas_m
Aug 14th, 2009, 11:03 PM
Ahem. As some of you may recall, I'm a US transplant here.

I don't know enough about the inner workings of the system to comment on the Myanmar case, but I can certainly comment on my own. These things I know:

a. It takes WAY-HEY-HEY too long for an immigrant (who has job skills etc) to get a work permit. I've been here nearly two years, and there's no sign of one in the near future. After wasting six months of my time, I wised up and hired a lawyer. Based on the experience of immigrant friends I've made here, this will shorten the process considerably, but it still takes YEARS.

b. That's YEARS where you're not allowed to work. Who's got the money to "retire" for half a decade while the wheels turn? Not many, that's for sure -- and if my wife wasn't Canadian and able to work, this whole thing would be a non-starter (that's right, you can blame her for me being here! :)

c. On the plus side, as mentioned above, Canada is at least allowing me to stay while the process continues, but seriously -- I have skills on the list of what BC says they "fast-track" work permits for, and it looks like it's going to take at least two full years.

You guys (meaning the portions of the government devoted to processing immigrants) are working AGAINST Canada's own interests IMHO. Skilled workers should be given a thorough background check and then a WORK PERMIT, as quickly as possible. The unskilled ones are the ones that should be on hold for years on end, if anyone should ...

Manatus
Aug 14th, 2009, 11:56 PM
I think that's a good illustration of the underlying problem: there are two very distinct groups of people who have a reasonable claim to immigrate, and there's not enough room for everyone. Should Canada take in people who are for whatever reason pushed out of their original country, whether by war, persecution etc, but who have no real in-demand skills (including possibly English or French language skills) and will most likely always be "an immigrant in Canada" for the rest of their lives; or should Canada take in people like chas_m who can essentially snap their fingers and no one would guess they were not a born Canadian, and who have skills that Canada needs and would make the country better/more competitive/etc?

Basically, when it comes down to it, should immigration be primarily for the immigrant's or the country's benefit?

MazterCBlazter
Aug 15th, 2009, 01:14 AM
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broken_g3
Aug 15th, 2009, 01:59 AM
I think the point I was trying to make did not have anything to do with immigration, it had to do with genuine refugees coming to Canada to escape persecution. What pisses me off is the government continues to grant refugee status to a bunch of bogus refugees. In fact, governments all over the world practice this. But if someone tries to flee Myanmar or possibly (this happens in China a lot) North Korea, genuine states of terror in other words, more often than not the government applies a double-standard to the idea of a refugee and sends them back.

chas_m
Aug 15th, 2009, 02:40 AM
broken_g3 has a point: "refugee" ≠ "immigrant" and I apologise if I inadvertently hijacked the thread.

mc3251
Aug 15th, 2009, 09:43 AM
I wasn't aware of the quasi slave trade situation, MCB. That is just disgusting.

EvanPitts
Aug 15th, 2009, 12:40 PM
We have legalized slavery in Canada. Nannies are brought here from the Philippines, they are skilled nurses, not allowed to work as nurses. They are essentially property of those they work for. If they try to work for someone else, they get deported. If they try to take courses while they are here to meet BC's bogus qualifications, they get deported.

And we see exactly what punishments are doled out in these cases - Zero in the case of Ruby Dhallia.

Sad thing is, it's not only immigrants, but our own skilled nurses, who spent money to go to school, and can not find an actual job as a nurse because they don't have the required twenty years experience, and if they choose, can take some mind numbing job cleaning bed pans on weekends, or else, take a high paying job in Texas.

For those in this region of the country, we are treated to the banality of our immigration policy on the First Student Canada commercial on TV, where they are trying to recruit school bus drivers from various immigrant communities, like the woman who is driving a bus part time despite being a high level journalist in Sri Lanka, and other highly skilled people who, in this country, get to drive a school bus for two hours a day because no companies want to hire people with skills or qualifications...

broken_g3
Aug 15th, 2009, 02:54 PM
And we see exactly what punishments are doled out in these cases - Zero in the case of Ruby Dhallia.


Why did Ruby Dhalla not get her ass whipped? Had she been a normal citizen it is unlikely anything would have happened, this is true. But, why as a public figure, was she not beaten into the ground?

Partially because of our press, which has an awfully hard time pinning anything to the Liberals (heaven forbid!), and partially because much of the Liberal voter base refused to accept that she was through and out a barbaric scumbag who had been chosen merely because of her good looks. I cannot comprehend why people continue to believe her BS story.

EvanPitts
Aug 15th, 2009, 03:05 PM
Why did Ruby Dhalla not get her ass whipped? Had she been a normal citizen it is unlikely anything would have happened, this is true. But, why as a public figure, was she not beaten into the ground?

Partially because of our press, which has an awfully hard time pinning anything to the Liberals (heaven forbid!), and partially because much of the Liberal voter base refused to accept that she was through and out a barbaric scumbag who had been chosen merely because of her good looks. I cannot comprehend why people continue to believe her BS story.
The Press in this country, for the most part, are pathetic. Ruby Dhalla is not the only carpetbagger to get off easy, the tales of corruption and outrageous sins are legendary, and all of them got off. Look at that eHealth Kramer lady who got off easy, scoring more severance pay for a job badly done than most workers could hope to earn through toil and labour in five years.

It is as if the Press, and many of the citizens of this country, just wish to remain blind to the robberies that are perpetrated by public officials; just like people want to think that a person that happens to get stranded in an airport because of some bogus wanted list is actually a member of Al Qaida, mostly because his name is Mohammed, and therefore, must be a member of Al Qaida. It's a sad thing that we just can't seem to assign guilt onto the guilty, but rather, prefer to dish out guilt onto the innocent, just because our system is pathetic and devoid of professionalism.

As Don Henley wrote "You can steal more with a briefcase than any man with a gun."