: Time Capsule first thoughts


Eric0
Mar 6th, 2008, 01:11 AM
Got a time capsule today. For anyone thinking of getting one it was certainly a good investment.

Compared to the old (bubble) base station extreme the TC is much faster. This is running in G mode, N is obviously fast.

Backup's are reasonably fast although not quite as quick as backing up to an external through usb or firewire. Advantage is that backup's are almost silent as you do not have an external drive spinning away next to your computer.

Will keep posted as I hook up printers etc.

Zer0tails
Mar 6th, 2008, 01:22 AM
awesome! :) Which size did you get? I want to get one...just the price holding me back..

Eric0
Mar 6th, 2008, 01:39 AM
I got the 500 GB. I would have loved the 1 TB but I still have an external which I hear you can plug in to the USB outlet on the back.

Price wise I think the 500 GB is decent value for your money. Your getting the $200 base station and a 500GB drive for 129 more.

The 1TB is hard to justify when you can buy a 1TB mybook at costco for 280. Adding in a base station only brings you to 480 which means your paying a 50$ + tax premium for the top end time capsule.

Zer0tails
Mar 6th, 2008, 01:52 AM
I got the 500 GB. I would have loved the 1 TB but I still have an external which I hear you can plug in to the USB outlet on the back.

Price wise I think the 500 GB is decent value for your money. Your getting the $200 base station and a 500GB drive for 129 more.

The 1TB is hard to justify when you can buy a 1TB mybook at costco for 280. Adding in a base station only brings you to 480 which means your paying a 50$ + tax premium for the top end time capsule.

Hmm...I didn't think about it that way. Nice rationale...one step closer for me!:D

geoffnhb
Mar 6th, 2008, 02:50 AM
Sounds awesome.
Im getting a 500gb whenever future shop gets them in.
I have a bunch of store credit there.

silentsim
Mar 6th, 2008, 02:54 AM
Sounds awesome.
Im getting a 500gb whenever future shop gets them in.
I have a bunch of store credit there.

Gonna pick up myself one soon too.....when i need a new router as i will be using the wireless printing feature as well :clap:

geoffnhb
Mar 6th, 2008, 03:27 AM
Gonna pick up myself one soon too.....when i need a new router as i will be using the wireless printing feature as well :clap:

Yeah, my router is pretty old and was cheap when i got it. The signal drops every couple of minutes and its really annoying. I also need an external. So this is perfect.

teeterboy3
Mar 6th, 2008, 08:37 AM
I had an Airport Extreme and a LaCie Porsche 250gb drive. Well two drives actually the other was 320gb. Picked both the drives up on sale ridiculously cheap at Future Shop. And I got the Airport for $70 when they had a misprint in the flyer and someone posted it here!

I was so excited about the Airport disc feature. And for a while it worked great under Tiger holding my iTunes library. When they talked about Time Machine, I was even more excited about the prospect of wireless backups. Only for some reason in the final release of Leopard the dropped the wireless backup functionality. (think it was so they could sell Time Capsule?)

And when Leopard came out Airport Disk was abysmal! At best. iTunes always lost track of where the library was because the hard drive would time out or disappear. 10.5.2 helped, but I NEVER could get Airport Disk to recognize more than one hard drive on connected at time (which ever the first one that made the handshake with the base station first) which was annoying to say the least. Made the second HD useless.

Thankfully though they came out with Time Capsule. The 1tb model took care of everything I needed - backup for the house, and room for the iTunes library. All in one package (in stead of three). Since my brother needed the Airport Extreme and the hard drives I had, he bought them and I ordered me the 1tb Time Capsule. Paid about $150 for it when all is said and done.

It was super easy to set up, the backup is running right now on both my wife's and my laptops. As well as I am copying the 200gb iTunes library, and the network (surfing) is mildly slower.

All-in-all very happy with this.

Just watch, first backup, if you have a lot of stuff, can take a while. And do remember to set it to ignore the Applications folder to avoid large space being used up by programs you can just reinstall.

Black
Mar 6th, 2008, 09:07 AM
Good to hear Eric0!

I preordered my 500Gb Time Capsule from The Mac Group in Ottawa over a month ago, phoned The Mac Group yesterday and they said 'Apple hasn't even started shipping them yet'. Was he lying?

Whatever, can't wait.

Philly
Mar 6th, 2008, 10:04 AM
Sorry to be the devil's advocate but 1 thing:

Let say someone "hack" in your wireless network in spite of al your security features etc. (assume it, don't argue). Is that person able to access the hard drive, therefore accessing your personnal data (potentialy private) ? :confused: :confused: :confused:

I am ASKING, not arguing. I just want to know if there is more feature that can block the hacking AND accessing of the data. Don't get me wrong, I have an external hard drive pluged in my router on my wireless network but I just wanted to know what you guys think !?!?

HowEver
Mar 6th, 2008, 10:07 AM
Good to hear Eric0!

I preordered my 500Gb Time Capsule from The Mac Group in Ottawa over a month ago, phoned The Mac Group yesterday and they said 'Apple hasn't even started shipping them yet'. Was he lying?

Whatever, can't wait.

He was probably telling the truth, in part. Apple isn't shipping Time Capsules to his store yet.

If you aren't happy with that, order online and cancel at that store.

Pelao
Mar 6th, 2008, 10:51 AM
It was super easy to set up, the backup is running right now on both my wife's and my laptops. As well as I am copying the 200gb iTunes library, and the network (surfing) is mildly slower.

Teeterboy,
A little question: do you have your music backed up elsewhere? If the Time Capsule HD fails, you may risk losing your music.

Newbie PHM
Mar 6th, 2008, 11:05 AM
Speaking hypothetically, if you have 1 TB of data backed up on a single hard drive, wouldn't there be security advantages to building a RAID and buying the Airport base?

Eric0
Mar 6th, 2008, 11:57 AM
Good to hear Eric0!

I preordered my 500Gb Time Capsule from The Mac Group in Ottawa over a month ago, phoned The Mac Group yesterday and they said 'Apple hasn't even started shipping them yet'. Was he lying?

Whatever, can't wait.

Whoever you talked to was lying through their teeth. I got mine directly from Apple.

It's possible Apple hasn't started shipping to resellers which is what The Mac Group was telling you. I've noticed it usually takes a few days before resellers start getting in new products.

Eric0
Mar 6th, 2008, 12:01 PM
Sorry to be the devil's advocate but 1 thing:

Let say someone "hack" in your wireless network in spite of al your security features etc. (assume it, don't argue). Is that person able to access the hard drive, therefore accessing your personnal data (potentialy private) ? :confused: :confused: :confused:

I am ASKING, not arguing. I just want to know if there is more feature that can block the hacking AND accessing of the data. Don't get me wrong, I have an external hard drive pluged in my router on my wireless network but I just wanted to know what you guys think !?!?

My guess would be that yes they could access your data and no there would be no way to stop them.

From my limited experience with the Time Capsule I believe you can do MAC address registration. This would prevent most people who park on the street from accessing your hard drive.

Keep in mind the Base Station's also have WPA encryption which is far safer than WEP. While not impossible to crack, unless someone knows you have a TC and really wants access they will probably just keep driving.

Mr. Fartleberry
Mar 6th, 2008, 01:12 PM
Time Capsule Exposed:

AppleInsider | Teardown: a look inside Apple's Time Capsule backup appliance (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/03/06/teardown_a_look_inside_apples_time_capsule_backup_ appliance.html)

Note their comment on the HDD quality.

Mississauga
Mar 6th, 2008, 01:48 PM
Time Capsule Exposed:

AppleInsider | Teardown: a look inside Apple's Time Capsule backup appliance (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/03/06/teardown_a_look_inside_apples_time_capsule_backup_ appliance.html)

Note their comment on the HDD quality.Thanks for the link! So much for the claimed "server grade hard drive", eh? I think I'll stick with the standard AEBS and a dedicated RAID array, for true data safety.

geoffnhb
Mar 6th, 2008, 01:49 PM
Sorry to be the devil's advocate but 1 thing:

Let say someone "hack" in your wireless network in spite of al your security features etc. (assume it, don't argue). Is that person able to access the hard drive, therefore accessing your personnal data (potentialy private) ? :confused: :confused: :confused:

I am ASKING, not arguing. I just want to know if there is more feature that can block the hacking AND accessing of the data. Don't get me wrong, I have an external hard drive pluged in my router on my wireless network but I just wanted to know what you guys think !?!?

Ya. thats a good question.

Eric0
Mar 6th, 2008, 02:39 PM
Thanks for the link! So much for the claimed "server grade hard drive", eh? I think I'll stick with the standard AEBS and a dedicated RAID array, for true data safety.

I think that's missing the point of the Time Capsule. For the majority of home users having "a" backup is better than no backup. Sure Joey's school project won't be spread over multiple drives and may not be secure from hackers. But when he spills his drink all over his MacBook he will have easy access.

As much as it's a data backup device its as much for data sharing. I can now download directly to the Time Capsule keeping large files from fragmenting my drive or needing to leave my computer on so that my USB drive is accessible over the network.

Sure the drive is not truly "server grade" but its hopefully going to be no worse than an external drive you pick up at Futureshop. For super heavy use in post production you probably wouldn't want to be using a wireless back up device anyways.

Mississauga
Mar 6th, 2008, 04:13 PM
Some folks will/do appreciate it. It's just not for me.

rgray
Mar 6th, 2008, 04:33 PM
Does the TimeCapsule do UPnP?

teeterboy3
Mar 6th, 2008, 05:51 PM
Teeterboy,
A little question: do you have your music backed up elsewhere? If the Time Capsule HD fails, you may risk losing your music.

It's as safe and secure as it was on the LaCie. Yes I know I need an option for it, but I will get a drive and plunk it on the USB port later.

used to be jwoodget
Mar 6th, 2008, 07:34 PM
Use the TC drive for back ups and plug in a pair of mirrored 500 Gb drives for media. Relatively cheap, fast and very easy to organize. If you mix Time Machine backups and non-backup files, you'll inevitably get to a point where the disk is full. Not so good for stability of media files (to which you will add new).

chas_m
Mar 6th, 2008, 07:42 PM
Does the TimeCapsule do UPnP?

yes.

HowEver
Mar 6th, 2008, 08:11 PM
Use the TC drive for back ups and plug in a pair of mirrored 500 Gb drives for media. Relatively cheap, fast and very easy to organize. If you mix Time Machine backups and non-backup files, you'll inevitably get to a point where the disk is full. Not so good for stability of media files (to which you will add new).

Thanks, this all seems practical, and worth trying out.

Jimbo Slice
Jul 27th, 2008, 02:33 AM
So its been a few months, all of you posters above me who got TC's, how is it going?
I'm looking to invest in one as well and was just wondering what insight you guys had to offer re: living with it for a while. Hearing from someone who just got one is always different from hearing from someone who has had it for months.

Eric0
Jul 27th, 2008, 02:54 AM
It's basically the same as it was on Day 1 for me at least. Drive is still spinning, everything is still recognized, backups work normally. No issues with the wifi, which considering my track record with other non-Apple routers is verging on impressive.

Slightly slower due to disk fragmentation but could easily be fixed. However, this is probably due to me moving large files repeatedly ie. 4-8GB movie files and not from regular backups.

popple73
Sep 30th, 2008, 01:45 PM
Yeah, my router is pretty old and was cheap when i got it. The signal drops every couple of minutes and its really annoying. I also need an external. So this is perfect.

I got the 500gig yesterday. I plugged it to my WAN, and ran a LAN from the TC to my PC, and connected my MacBook through Airport. Everything worked like a charm!

A started the Time Machine, looked at it for a couple of hours, then decided to go to bed. This morning, the TM window said that the last backup completed correctly at 1am, but then, I noticed my Airport icon was greyd out. I opened AirPort Utility, and it couldn't detecte my Time Capsule.

I unplugged the TC briefly (I had to leave for work) but after pluging it back, it still didn't show up in Airport Utility.

What should I do now?

Phat Bastard
Oct 1st, 2008, 10:03 AM
What should I do now?

Get a replacement from Apple! My first TC was randomly losing power for no reason. My replacement is perfect.

Phat Bastard
Oct 1st, 2008, 10:05 AM
So its been a few months, all of you posters above me who got TC's, how is it going?
I'm looking to invest in one as well and was just wondering what insight you guys had to offer re: living with it for a while. Hearing from someone who just got one is always different from hearing from someone who has had it for months.

As I just mentioned, I had to get a replacement TC. But other than that, it has been great having it. Not worrying about backups is a great feeling.

On the other hand, sometimes its annoying how often TC backs up...I transfer a lot of big files, so that has to be the reason why it tries to back up so often. I'm on a laptop so often the timing for the backup is bad, like when I need to go to work. I'll just shut down the backup for those instances.

chas_m
Oct 1st, 2008, 08:18 PM
Let say someone "hack" in your wireless network in spite of al your security features etc. (assume it, don't argue).

Well as long as we're not arguing, let's say the Underpants Elves have decided that instead of your underpants, they want to steal your data.

IOW, you start with a flawed assumption. If you've secured your wireless network, then the answer is no. If you haven't, then the answer is "possibly."

Is that person able to access the hard drive, therefore accessing your personnal data (potentialy private) ? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Please, won't you contribute to the EhMac Fund to Stop Hilarious Misspellings? :)

Would that be PERSONAL data on your PERSONNEL, or ... :confused: :confused: :confused:

If you're worried about this sort of thing, you can restrict access to the HD by setting permissions for it, encrypting its contents, requiring admin access, using FileVault, etc. Again, this is not the right approach, however: the right approach is to secure your wireless network. If the network is not secure, you have WAY bigger security risks than someone finding your porn stash.

Phoboga
Oct 1st, 2008, 11:11 PM
Has anyone attached an external UPnP drive to their TC? Does it work?

chas_m you said above that that the Time Capsule does UPnP, I don't think so.

Thanks

lenzflair
Oct 15th, 2008, 09:40 PM
I strongly suggest that no one buys the Time Capsule.

I bought one and after 93 days it failed. The Time Capsule can not give me full bandwidth on a 16Mbps line, where a $10 Trendnet router can.

Apple are useless, try to get support without Apple Care.

lenzflair
Oct 16th, 2008, 10:37 PM
I convinced Apple (after alot of pain) to replace my Time Capsule.

I will get a brand new TC. I will sell it and buy a $50 Dlink router instead.

Time Capsule truly sucks. Don't buy one (unless it's mine on Ebay)

This is my first Apple support experience. I have to say, I'm less than impressed, took many phone calls and a week to convince them to take my TC back.

pangolin
Oct 16th, 2008, 11:41 PM
What is the experience with TC compared to AEBS not considering the built in hard disk?

I plan to return my TC to apple and buy the AEBS in SigElectronics for $119 + 1.5TB $99 in TigerDirect. It's much cheaper compared to TC 500GB.

What do you think guys?

lenzflair
Oct 17th, 2008, 07:22 AM
honestly, just get a cheap firewire or USB HD to do Time Machine. Time Machine wireless is excruciatingly slow.