: G5's and SCSI in 2005


unmarked road
May 5th, 2005, 10:51 PM
Here's another question about using old hardware with my new G5: What's the latest on using SCSI devices with a Dual G5? For instance I have an older UMAX scanner which I would rather not have to replace and send to the landfill.

Apparently I will not be able to pull the Adaptec 2930cu SCSI card from my old G4 because the voltage is not compatible with the G5's.

There doesn't seem to be much of a selection of cards for the G5's that aren't very expensive. This is the only reasonably priced one I could find -- Initio Miles2 Ultra2 SCSI (US$88) (http://www.macgurus.com/productpages/scsi/mgscsiinitioboards.php)

Anyone know what "Must be flashed in a G3 or G4 to work in a G5" means? Are there any other cheaper cards available?

What about Firewire to SCSI (US$89) (http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/subpages/firerex1.html) or USB2 to SCSI (US$69) (http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/subpages/u2scx.html
) converters? Has anyone had any experience with them?

I also realise that new software would be needed to get the scanner working in OS X. VUESCAN (US$50) (http://www.hamrick.com/) looks good. Has anyone used it?

Hmmm.... with the options I've discovered it seems I could be paying over C$200 to continue using a 10-year-old scanner. (It still does the job I need it to do) I haven't really been paying attention -- how good is a $200 scanner today? The old UMAX has a transparency adaptor, gives decent images and I think it's pretty fast, though I have nothing to compare it to.

Decisions, decisions -- any suggestions? Guess that was more than one question.

scootsandludes
May 5th, 2005, 11:35 PM
If you have a G4, you can used that computer as your designated scanning station, so if you're working on something and need to scan, you could continuing working while you scan.
A $200 scanner today would probably blow the socks off your UMAX, but if you have a full size tranny adaptor, you might loose that, and the most you'll get is probably just a 35mm adaptor.

vince

Greenman
May 6th, 2005, 09:06 AM
I too have an older Umax scanner... USB and SCSI ...which is now a paperweight. Umax has no interest in updating it's software or drivers for MacOSX.

Mine is a 2200s and isn't listed in Vuescan's 'supported' list so that's out. I did try a demo of Silverfast from Germany.... nice software.... great for the pro's but a little over-kill for this old scanner. Besides it costs almost as much as a new scanner.

My suggestion is to pickup a new scanner.... as Scootsandludes says a new one will blow the socks off the old Umax. You'll be happier in the end

Cheers!

Macified
May 6th, 2005, 09:29 AM
I've tried a couple of Firewire > SCSI adapters and they were cludgy at best. The Iomega adapter only recognizes a JAZ drive. The other one I tried years ago (can't remember which one as it wasn't mine, maybe Belkin) would only work intermittantly. I hate to say it but it's probably time to move on.

Kosh
May 6th, 2005, 11:54 AM
Anyone know what "Must be flashed in a G3 or G4 to work in a G5" means?


It means that you must update the card's firmware using a G3 or G4 before you can use it in a G5.

unmarked road
May 6th, 2005, 12:21 PM
Thanks for the feedback.

If you have a G4, you can used that computer as your designated scanning station, so if you're working on something and need to scan, you could continuing working while you scan.
I was thinking of doing this using the G4, the UMAX scanner and an old Apple Multiple Scan 17" monitor that was working great last time it was used. But when the new G5 arrived we hooked up the G4 to the old Multiple Scan, powered it up and the old monitor promptly died (stays on for half an OS9 startup then shuts itself off, then the power button does basically nothing).

There's also an issue of the space that a dedicated scanning station would require in my home office, or any other location in the house. I was also thinking of selling the G4 with my redundant peripherals to help pay for the new setup and all the software upgrades I need.

Sounds like I may be shopping for a new scanner. I just thought that with scanners there are physical optics (lenses?) involved that may have been superior in an older device costing over $1000 compared to a modern $200 device marketed to the average home user. I don't have much of an idea how scanners work -- is the software as or more important than the hardware in the process of producing a good scan?

Regardless, I just need something that can perform as well as the old SCSI UMAX without breaking the bank. A good transparency adaptor would be nice however...

Time to do a search on available scanners. Should be more interesting and easier for me to understand than the world of routers.

It means that you must update the card's firmware using a G3 or G4 before you can use it in a G5.
Ahh.. I've never had to do that before but does that mean inserting it into the G4's PCI slot then running something like an installer?

MacDoc
May 6th, 2005, 12:39 PM
Modern scanners are light years better than older units.
A current Epson Perfection series in the $3-600 range rivals a dedicated film scanner.

There is absolutely no reason not to move to the new scanners. The advances in scanners are simply a result of the same advances in digital cameras.

unmarked road
May 6th, 2005, 12:52 PM
Thanks MacDoc. That makes it easier to understand. I hadn't made the digital camera connection yet. It's tough living with this old analog brain in a fast-paced digital world.

Kosh
May 6th, 2005, 03:20 PM
Ahh.. I've never had to do that before but does that mean inserting it into the G4's PCI slot then running something like an installer?

Yes, that's a good way of describing it. It's like running an installer or updater.

unmarked road
May 9th, 2005, 07:37 PM
In case anyone is shopping for a scanner, or just interested, I found this page How to Select a Photo Scanner (http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/scanner.htm) to be an interesting read and very informative.

I've decided to buy an inexpensive USB2 Epson and see how I get by with it. If I find that more scanning power becomes necessary I'll just go out and buy a better Epson -- the need would probably quickly pay for the better scanner...

Here's a good detailed review of what looks like a real nice model The Epson Perfection 4990 (http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Epson%204990/Page%201.htm).