: For the Brits


Wolfshead
Sep 16th, 2004, 04:44 PM
Thought some of you might like to know that fox hunting's just been banned in England and Wales. Finally!!!! I for one will be out celebrating tonight (any excuse).

stinand
Sep 16th, 2004, 05:09 PM
Another part of my heritage down the drain..Sob Cry And Sob

Wolfshead
Sep 16th, 2004, 05:21 PM
Well, I am a bit concerned about what the royals are going to do for entertainment now. Thought we could have a whip-round and send them all to the pictures instead.

used to be jwoodget
Sep 16th, 2004, 05:34 PM
This vote wasn't about banning a few relatives of Camilla Parker-Bowles from trotting their gee-gees around the British countryside. The number of foxes killed by this "activity" was miniscule compared to the population. Most are killed by traps and guns. The vote was about Tony Blair supposedly standing up for the common man. He needed a win before the next election to counter the mess in Iraq. It's largely a stunt (not that I'm against the ban....).

As pictures of the invasion of the House of Common's revealed, there were only about 40 MPs sitting during the actual debate. If I were them, I'd be more worried about the state of security in the country in 3 pro-hunting nuts can break in so easily......

Loafer
Sep 16th, 2004, 05:38 PM
oh damn and buggerations!

I won't be able to make the regular trip home, don my riding outfit and race triumphantly around the countryside chasing furry vermin.

Life is oh so unfair

jolly good show what, pass the G & T

it reminds me of the comdey sketch Borat did (the same guy who does Alig G). He's at an anti-fox hunting demonstration and begins to tell the women in the crowd that where he comes from they hunt bears, the women are appalled and ask him why ? He replies "for fun!" and they give him loads of abuse. Hilarious stuff.

MacNutt
Sep 17th, 2004, 02:55 AM
Fox hunting. ;)

I've heard it described as "The Unmentionable chasing the Inedible". :eek: graemlins/lmao.gif

An old tradition. A silly protest. A tempest in a teapot. Especially when there are far more pressing issues upon all of us.

The signifigance of this subject escapes me.

And my pragamatic Scots brain often finds the English completely unfathomable. tongue.gif graemlins/lmao.gif

used to be jwoodget
Sep 17th, 2004, 12:18 PM
Hey macnutt, there are plenty of Scottish traditions that are about as infathomable as prancing around the countryside chasing a canny fox (the nice thing about fox hunting is that it culls a few gentry every year when their steeds jump over a granite wall and throw their unsuspecting riders head-first into an immovable object - stiff upper lips offer minimal protection).

Aside from the infamous Scottish "diet" aka arterial sludgefest, tossing the caber comes to mind. And I'm sure your pragmatic mind has trouble in dealing with the fact that Scotland is the one of the most socialist country in Europe...... (in fact I think my in-laws are the only remaining "Scottish Conservatives" in the Highlands).

Wolfshead
Sep 17th, 2004, 02:37 PM
The former jwoodget makes a valid point. I guess our Tony's been saving this one up for when he really needed it. Of course, I'd like to think that it happened because Tone was sick of getting abusive e-mails from me!
I realise this is not an issue which concerns many people but, if only for the reasons mentioned by jwoodget, I thought it was quite interesting. By the way, I do get a bit tired of people telling me that there are more pressing issues. Of course there are, and there always will be. In a world full of "more pressing issues" I think it's important to feel we can make a difference. I also think it's important to keep reminding politicians about their broken promises. It may not change anything but it makes me feel better. Anyway, who decides what's most pressing? Today I gave some money to someone who asked for it. It didn't solve anything but it made two of us feel better for a little while.
I'll stop now...

used to be jwoodget
Sep 17th, 2004, 03:13 PM
Democracy depends on individuals "making an effort" and having their voices and actions heard and felt. Most politicians realise this although they usually only do so when it is to their advantage. Anybody can make a difference. Indifference is a true enemy of democracy.

Way to go Wolfshead!

MacNutt
Sep 17th, 2004, 03:41 PM
I won't even get into some of the strange traditions or the awful food that Scotland has given the world, JWoodget. tongue.gif

That would be a whole 'nother thread! graemlins/lmao.gif

That said...I still find many things about the Brits completely unfathomable. tongue.gif

Perhaps it's better that way. graemlins/heybaby.gif

Brainstrained
Sep 17th, 2004, 04:09 PM
If they had hockey, they wouldn't need fox hunting. . .

Hmmmm, if we don't have hockey . . .

:D

Pelao
Sep 17th, 2004, 04:17 PM
The ban only applies to England & Wales...does this mean it's banned in Scotland, or is it still going strong in Scotland?

Lots of Scts foxes will be streaming over the border in the dead of night.....

MacNutt
Sep 17th, 2004, 04:23 PM
Are there any foxes in Scotland? Would any normal Scot take the time out to actually hunt them, if there were? tongue.gif

Does anyone really care? graemlins/heybaby.gif graemlins/lmao.gif

Loafer
Sep 17th, 2004, 04:34 PM
Just got off the phone with my mum who was telling me how an awful number of anti-fox hunting protestors were beaten senseless by the police. They were told to file a report of who it was.....thing is, the police covered up their number on their badges.

can you say "police state" ?

My parents are so fed up with the miserable life in England, all that doom and gloom everyday in the paper, that they are seriously thinking of retiring to Texas!

I love Canada so so so much!
I will be eligible to obtain citizenship soon and will be grabbing it with both hands.

Now, if only we could get a Major League Soccer franchise in Toronto I'd be set.

Wolfshead
Sep 17th, 2004, 05:47 PM
Pelao: fox hunting was banned in Scotland some time ago - the Scots being far more civilized and sophisticated and less barbaric than the English. It was Oscar Wilde who coined the phrase "the unspeakable chasing the uneatable".

stinand
Sep 17th, 2004, 05:48 PM
“And my pragamatic Scots brain often finds the English completely unfathomable.“

Thats why we built a wall to keep you out. graemlins/lmao.gif

Also the Scots would never go fox hunting as it would require an expenditure on horses.

used to be jwoodget
Sep 17th, 2004, 05:49 PM
It was the pro-fox hunting demonstrators that were "bloodied" in their dinner shirts. I actually thought it was quite progressive to see that police violence is class-blind (in this case)! When faced with raving loonies armed with Range Rover manuals and Louis Vuitton handbags, what is a copper to do? The only difference between these clashes and the miners strikes of the early 80s is that no actual livelihoods were at stake (apart from the odd hound breeder), the income delta between the demonstrators and the cops was inverted and the pro-hunt demonstrators each had a lawyer on speed dial (hence the reason the cops covered up their badges....).

Scotland actually has its own judicial system (where you'll find terms like the proculator fiscal) hence many laws are passed only for England and Wales and have to be independently passed by the Scottish legislature.

MacDoc
Sep 17th, 2004, 07:09 PM
"Thats why we built a wall to keep you out

WE....???? Your name Hadrian anywhere in your geneaology??
Tho likely the grunts doing the stone lugging WERE "anglo" . :D

stinand
Sep 17th, 2004, 07:24 PM
David The wall was built .

We the Anglo race were protected from the scots by it...

Therefore we will take credit.

The Royal we... you poor colonial ...learn your place. graemlins/lmao.gif

MacDoc
Sep 17th, 2004, 07:35 PM
Ah I understand Antonio Stintanini....... :cool:

MacDoc
Sep 18th, 2004, 04:49 AM
I don't think the powers that be in Londinium gave a damn about the Anglos...... they already defeated them.......they just wanted to keep the blue woad fellas off their sheep, wineries.........and women. ;)

MacNutt
Sep 18th, 2004, 01:55 PM
Yes, Hadrian's wall managed to keep the Scots on home turf and away from the English. For a while. ;)

My old Grandad always told me that the wall was built to keep us Highland types out..."because we used to go down there and f**k all their sheep and KILL all their women" :eek: tongue.gif graemlins/lmao.gif

I never knew quite what to make of this. Until I got older. ;)

MacNutt
Sep 18th, 2004, 03:41 PM
Ahhhh...they didn't know what they were MISSING. tongue.gif graemlins/lmao.gif

We'd have livened the place up. Fer sure. ;)

Fink-Nottle
Sep 19th, 2004, 12:31 AM
Actually, the Angles (for which England is named), Saxons and Jutes all invaded England over 400 years AFTER Hadrian's wall was built. The people living in what was to be become England were not 'Anglos' at all, but Celts.

Also, although the wall was the border of the Roman empire and did have a defensive nature, most historians believe it was a peaceful frontier and that the wall served to control movement and trade, not to prevent it. There is certainly evidence that a number of settlements developed along the wall for the purposes of trade.

As a side note, you can now hike the entire length of Hadrian's wall... it passes through some beautiful parts of the country.

Fink-Nottle
Sep 19th, 2004, 12:44 PM
Hey Macnutt,

I said the people who lived in what was to become England were the Celts. When I say "England", I don't include Scotland in that... unlike some. :)

A couple of points about Hadrian's Wall:

1. Many of the forts built along Hadrian's Wall face south... suggesting subjugation of the conquered rather than defence from the unconquered was a primary aim.

2. There were some small battles along the wall but the Picts were not a major threat to the Romans until the Romans were forced to withdraw men in the fourth century. In fact the Romans had some limited success going North and were able to build the Antonine wall, a smaller set of fortifications 100 miles north of Hadrian's wall. They weren't able to keep it very long though.

That said, the Picts very resolutely held on to what was theirs, and I'm impressed you can trace your family tree that far back.

Cheers!

MacNutt
Sep 19th, 2004, 01:03 PM
Yeah, Fink-Nottle...the always successful Roman legions spent a great deal of time and effort to erect a wall across a vast land area that they found they could not conquer...

In order to "facilitate trade" between themselves and the barbarian hordes on the other side of same wall. graemlins/scream.gif graemlins/lmao.gif

Yeah RIGHT! C'mon buddy...pull the OTHER one! graemlins/lmao.gif

I'm quite certain that trade DID spring up between the two isolated groups. Perhaps some sort of friendly rivalry and not much conflict...at some point.

But the Roman dwarves felt the need to put a frickin WALL up to keep my ancestors at bay, fer cryin out loud! This was something they had NEVER needed to do before...despite having conquered ALL of the countries they had invaded in the past! :eek:

Does this tell you something? It should.

It might also explain why the Italians are no longer running this planet...and why what we refer to nowadays as "the Scots" ARE. ;)

Oh...and one last thing...

Those blue-painted savages that the Romans encountered, and recoiled from, in what is now known as "Scotland"....

Were actually the "Picts". The Celts came later. The Celts were completely in awe of the legendary Picts, and said so quite clearly, while using much of the adopted Pictish art in their later stone carvings and metalwork.

Never heard of the mythical Pictish people? Never met one? Wonder what freaked the Romans out so much that they built a WALL to keep them out?

Well then, I'm pleased to make your acquaintance.

My name is MacNutt...which is a sept of the Scottish clan MacNauchten...which means "son of Nechtan" which means "son of the Pure One".

Which is a VERY OLD Pictish Clan that hails from what is now known a Scotland. I am the eldest son of an eldest son of an eldest son of that very old line of Pictish types, BTW.

So now, perhaps you know what...and WHO...actually stopped the Romans in their tracks for the very first time in history.

And why I am so very particular about how people might use my ancient family name. In jest, or otherwise.

And why I choose to use it here, instead of a screen name.

End of rant.

;)