: Are iPhones Overpriced?


HenriHelvetica
Jan 16th, 2019, 04:17 AM
I was having a discussion with some folks and even had a little chat on twitter about it, and I wondered mostly because of the recent conversations and statements coming from Cook how the Chinese and emerging markets were the cause of this revision of earnings/forecast.

I had to lol because emerging markets aren't the ones to depend on to purchase luxury items. All manufacturers outside of  are making a low tier phone available in these markets - which is why Android has such a strangle hold there - and I just don't see how  can change that outcome w/o lowering prices.

Now, they've apparently cut prices in China already (around 20% (https://www.zdnet.com/article/prices-of-iphone-xr-and-iphone-8-slashed-by-up-to-20-percent-in-china/)), and IDK about you guys, but all i've been seeing of late are ads for iPhone trade ins w/ lower priced X models etc... and they are planning a new one for 2019. Whoa. There's some chatter about whether they should bring back the SE, like an SE2. 🤷🏾*♂️

That last iPhone maxed out was just under $2000. I just don't see how this is sustainable. I know die hards who were on that yearly upgrade cycle have cut that. Personally, I just moved to a 7 Plus 1 month ago. I just didn't feel like going all out - when I didn't need to.

Feature rich as they are, I wonder if ppl are starting to hit the ceiling on costs. And this interview wasn't mega convincing either.

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polywog
Jan 16th, 2019, 05:05 AM
Prices are certainly up, but, I'm glad we are past the "This is the one iPhone this year" stage. Sure, there's a $2000 iPhone, and that's great for those that can afford it. But I see it the same way as the premium priced Watches. There are equally functional cheaper models. And the distinction (unlike the 5c etc.) is that all the models this year are on equal footing at least processor wise. So the cheap model isn't a re-skinned last year model.

That said, I think they will hit a point where people won't pay what they're asking. Once those people move on it won't be easy to get them back.

One last random thought, if the price you pay after trade in, is the same price as iPhones were a couple of years ago, I see that as a somewhat good thing. Getting old devices back in and recycled is a good thing, so is providing incentive to do so. To wit, I traded in my iPhone 8+ to get an XR. I effectively payed $0 for the device (plan notwithstanding). Actually I had $100 or so of credit, so I got a fast charger with the change.

Moscool
Jan 23rd, 2019, 06:08 AM
I have an iPhone 6 and it I'm only just getting the itch... So that's 6s, 7, 8, X and Xs saved on. At least $5k :D

I don't like the new phones: too big, too heavy and too fragile. Mostly due to 'double glass'. That's even before you factor the price in.

What most of us don't realise is that screen quality is only an improvement if width increases as well as pretty much everything is in 16x9 these days. Another cm in length does nothing for me when I already have 6 rows of icons. My wish is 3 new models: a 6 replacement and a 5SE replacement, as well as a mini phone, like Nokia did in its heyday: just enough to check email etc.

SINC
Jan 23rd, 2019, 08:33 AM
I have an iPhone 8 Plus that I paid $1,069 for 15 months ago. Apple is offering me $445 trade value on a new model X.

Ain't gonna happen anytime soon. Far too expensive and a BS offer with severe depreciation on the 8 Plus losing 60% of its value in just over one year. Ditto for my series 2 watch offer of $100 trade.

wonderings
Jan 23rd, 2019, 10:21 AM
Apple is a premium product for sure, but I no longer see the premium value in Apple and think that premium price tag should be adjust to reflect that. Of course that is just my personal opinion. Apple talks so much about changing the world with their products and yet prices them out of so many peoples reach.

Apple is playing catchup and implementing old features that are already out dated. Wireless charging for one. There is fast wireless charging out there and has been for a few years. Does Apple use the latest greatest? No, they get enough hype for simply adding wireless charging (which I have on my XR and like, but wish it was fast). I was a die hard Apple fan, had all the products and enjoyed them, that is no longer the case.

How long will it take Apple to get rid of the notch in the phone? Already Android phones are doing away with it leaving just a small hole for the camera in the screen. 2 or 3 years till Apple goes this route?

robert
Jan 23rd, 2019, 12:43 PM
All trade in offers are well below market worth. The up side for some is the "not having to sell it privately" route.

I often now trade in my computers and buy a newer used model from Macdoc. Sure I could get more selling it privately, but if it isn't local, it becomes too much of a hassle. Besides, David doesn't sell me what I don't need and goes out of his way to find what I do need for the price I can afford.

I hope they bring back the SE phones as they are the perfect size for me. Then again, I use it mostly as a phone...:eek::D

HowEver
Jan 23rd, 2019, 07:07 PM
When you buy that way, do you buy the bundles?

All trade in offers are well below market worth. The up side for some is the "not having to sell it privately" route.

I often now trade in my computers and buy a newer used model from Macdoc. Sure I could get more selling it privately, but if it isn't local, it becomes too much of a hassle. Besides, David doesn't sell me what I don't need and goes out of his way to find what I do need for the price I can afford.

I hope they bring back the SE phones as they are the perfect size for me. Then again, I use it mostly as a phone...:eek::D

robert
Jan 24th, 2019, 08:52 AM
Not usually, as I keep my monitors and ext. HDs , which I also get from Macdoc.

If I ever need a monitor at the same time as a computer, the bundles are a great deal.

I do have the ram and HD increased as much as possible before they ship it out to me.

chrismccoy
Feb 7th, 2019, 03:23 PM
they get away with the price because they know apple users will pay for it.

wonderings
Feb 21st, 2019, 05:32 PM
Well Samsung just came out with their new phones yesterday and they really seem to be attempting to do new things with their phones. Even the fold phone is neat, though not something I would be interested. What did impress was the new Galaxy S10+. No notch, they even hid the little camera portion of the screen smartly with the wallpapers they chose.

What is really interesting is they have a fingerprint sensor in the screen, I really wish Apple had come out with that. While I do like Face ID there are times and places where it is not the greatest and would be nice to have a fingerprint sensor option.

- Fast wireless charging another thing Apple should have brought to the new iPhones, it is not new technology.

- Being able to wirelessly charge another device from your device is cool, though I like it more for stacking. You could have one charger, place your phone on it and then place your AirPods on top of that to charge both at the same time. Cool option and can really cut down on cables when travelling.

- Camera looks good, though they all look good so no big surprise there.

- I do not think the phone has facial recognition which I do find surprising and seems like a step backward in terms of features

- Price... well they are more in line, it is still pricey, it is the cost of a base XS Max. The different here is Apple charges a bit more and still only gives you 64 gigs whereas the Samsung has a base model with 128 gigs which is really where Apple should have been for their flagship phone.

- usb-c charging in a phone as slim as the XS

- headphone jack again in a phone as slim as the XS

- This is the first non Apple phone that has got me interested. I have an XR that I like, but next go around if Apple does not bring anything innovative to the table I will definitely be shopping around. They are all going notchless, it will be the new trend I predict. I wonder if Apple will remain stubborn to their ways or if they will actually follow the trend.

I do like the new design and have to say it makes the new iPhones looked dated in comparison. Looks like virtually no bezel on the side of the samsungs.

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polywog
Feb 22nd, 2019, 07:23 AM
No notch, they even hid the little camera portion of the screen smartly with the wallpapers they chose.


I really don't like where they have the camera at all, and to be honest, I like having a notch; it's a nice reminder of where not to put my greasy fingers. For sure there are some neat advancements.

Something to consider if you do decide to take the plunge; you are at the mercy of your carrier for software (OS) updates. You basically have to wait for Google, then Samsung, then your carrier before you get updates. It can take months if it happens at all, or at least that was the case when i took a stroll on the dark side. It's frustrating. I got a total of two updates in the year I had my Note, and by the time I had switch back to iPhone, I was a full Android release behind (and it wasn't expected for months still.)

wonderings
Feb 22nd, 2019, 10:06 AM
I really don't like where they have the camera at all, and to be honest, I like having a notch; it's a nice reminder of where not to put my greasy fingers. For sure there are some neat advancements.

Something to consider if you do decide to take the plunge; you are at the mercy of your carrier for software (OS) updates. You basically have to wait for Google, then Samsung, then your carrier before you get updates. It can take months if it happens at all, or at least that was the case when i took a stroll on the dark side. It's frustrating. I got a total of two updates in the year I had my Note, and by the time I had switch back to iPhone, I was a full Android release behind (and it wasn't expected for months still.)

I am not too concerned about updates, Apple less and less even has me wanting to upgrade my OS. I also buy my phones outright from Apple and would do the same if I bought a Samsung. Not sure if that changes anything in that regard.

It will be a few years before I switch from my new XR so who knows what will happen in that time. My fingers never go anywhere near the notch or the top of any iPhone I have had before so that would not be an issue for me. I think part of it is other companies are doing exciting things whereas Apple really just talks themselves up while not offering a whole of new stuff. Now Apple has done amazing things, just it seems to be dwindling and their BIG ideas are not all that big. Touch bar on the MacBook pro? Even the iPhone X while it looks great still was just following some Android phone trends. Face ID has been around a while (cannot compare, no idea if Apple Face ID is better then Android). Wireless charging again around a while and there was already fast charging which Apple still has not opted for. The iPhone X sill has a bezel where some founds have started rounded the screen around the edge making it look like there is no bezel.

Feels like I am ranting all the time about Apple and I people obviously still love the company, I have just stopped caring as much about anything they do because it does not Appeal to me or seems to be going in a backwards direction.

Sitting Bull
Mar 23rd, 2019, 01:14 PM
For me, I just want a good quality phone with a great camera that will not break the bank. $1500.00 for a phone is insane for me.

Silver Back
May 28th, 2019, 08:04 PM
If you think iPhones are expensive you should price hearing aids. There is no way these hearing aids should cost anywhere near an iPhone let alone the exorbitant prices advertised. The hearing aid technology is no where near as complicated as an iphone and in most cases less than perfect. Rechargeable batteries are a "big deal" in their world.

Should you be unlucky enough to loose you hearing you will know what I am talking about.

Cheers,

Silver Back

wonderings
May 29th, 2019, 09:38 AM
It is very easy to say what things should and should not cost. These are companies in it to make profit, they are not charities. You know who is to blame for the ever rising Apple costs? We the consumer who keep buying the product.

Apple has to pay a huge amount for staffing, R&D, and all sorts of things to keep the company moving forward. They would be dead in the water if they were only making a small percentage of profit. They could still make a ton of money and have a cheaper product but it does not seem to be slowing down so why would they?

pm-r
May 29th, 2019, 03:44 PM
If you think iPhones are expensive you should price hearing aids. There is no way these hearing aids should cost anywhere near an iPhone let alone the exorbitant prices advertised.


Yes they can be quite expensive, but they have certainly made some fast changes and improvements within the last eight years, and some real drastic improvements in the last five years.

And speaking of price, I dare say that the top end at the time, Resound brand model I got from our local Costco Center some six years ago have been excellent and cost about one third less than quoted from a "reputable" Hearing aid store, and their normal zinc-air hearing aid batteries cost less than half than most others and are excellent batteries, and last me just over a week.

I don't need any overprice smartphone, IPhone or not, as my old Samsung flip phone suits me just fine thank you and holds a charge for weeks between charges and gets an annual top-up of $25~$50 through 711 SpeakOut. Yes, I'm a minimal Cellphone user, and it suits me just fine. ;-)


- Patrick
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SINC
Jun 1st, 2019, 01:53 PM
Are iPhones Overpriced?

Is the Pope Catholic?

pm-r
Jun 1st, 2019, 02:18 PM
Just in case nobody has read some of the articles, take some samples:
It's official: iPhones are too expensive
https://mashable.com/article/iphones-are-too-expensive/

Making the $1,249 iPhone XS only costs Apple $443
https://nypost.com/2018/09/26/making-the-1249-iphone-xs-only-costs-apple-443/

No real surprises...

One of the real questions a lot of people should be asking themselves, Do they really need a smart cellphone, or would a much cheaper DumberCell phone work for their needs just as well???

Even if it would, my two bits says they will spend the extra money just to keep up with or exceed the Joneses ~ And Apple and Samsung etc. all know that. You might even call it marketing.



- Patrick
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wonderings
Jun 1st, 2019, 06:49 PM
Just in case nobody has read some of the articles, take some samples:
It's official: iPhones are too expensive
https://mashable.com/article/iphones-are-too-expensive/

Making the $1,249 iPhone XS only costs Apple $443
https://nypost.com/2018/09/26/making-the-1249-iphone-xs-only-costs-apple-443/

No real surprises...

One of the real questions a lot of people should be asking themselves, Do they really need a smart cellphone, or would a much cheaper DumberCell phone work for their needs just as well???

Even if it would, my two bits says they will spend the extra money just to keep up with or exceed the Joneses ~ And Apple and Samsung etc. all know that. You might even call it marketing.



- Patrick
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Not sure if I am like most but I use my iPhone for just about everything but a phone. Rarely make calls but using various messaging services like iMessage and google hangouts to communicate. Same goes for friends in my social circle. Phone is great for emergencies but just about everything else is done via text with a data connection.

SINC
Jun 1st, 2019, 09:00 PM
Not sure if I am like most but I use my iPhone for just about everything but a phone. Rarely make calls but using various messaging services like iMessage and google hangouts to communicate. Same goes for friends in my social circle. Phone is great for emergencies but just about everything else is done via text with a data connection.

Yep, rarely make over 10 minutes of calls a month. Hate talking on the phone. Rather a text. Use it plenty for info and news and searches.

dona83
Jul 2nd, 2019, 02:24 PM
Just in case nobody has read some of the articles, take some samples:
It's official: iPhones are too expensive
https://mashable.com/article/iphones-are-too-expensive/

Making the $1,249 iPhone XS only costs Apple $443
https://nypost.com/2018/09/26/making-the-1249-iphone-xs-only-costs-apple-443/

No real surprises...

One of the real questions a lot of people should be asking themselves, Do they really need a smart cellphone, or would a much cheaper DumberCell phone work for their needs just as well???

Even if it would, my two bits says they will spend the extra money just to keep up with or exceed the Joneses ~ And Apple and Samsung etc. all know that. You might even call it marketing.



- Patrick
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So $800+ is going to well paid designers, marketers, heck even the retail staff are reasonably paid, and of course shareholders.

wonderings
Jul 2nd, 2019, 03:09 PM
So $800+ is going to well paid designers, marketers, heck even the retail staff are reasonably paid, and of course shareholders.

Given that their production costs are so high I do not think it is out of line. I am surprised they cannot get it down cheaper with the quantities they must be ordering, with volume comes cheaper prices.

I do think they could offer more for the price though specifically when it comes to storage. Base model really should be 128 gigs and go up from there.

Reeves
Aug 21st, 2019, 03:50 PM
Yep, rarely make over 10 minutes of calls a month. Hate talking on the phone. Rather a text. Use it plenty for info and news and searches.

Ditto but in my case I make and receive (not counting those #$%# telemarketers) about 30 minutes of calls/mth. Texting and emails though I do plenty. I would be very interested in a texting/emails/internet/camera only "phone". If that ever get released, I'll be all over it.

18m2
Aug 21st, 2019, 07:04 PM
Ditto but in my case I make and receive (not counting those #$%# telemarketers) about 30 minutes of calls/mth. Texting and emails though I do plenty. I would be very interested in a texting/emails/internet/camera only "phone". If that ever get released, I'll be all over it.

That sounds like my iPod Touch except it's WiFi only.

SINC
Aug 21st, 2019, 09:07 PM
That sounds like my iPod Touch except it's WiFi only.

And more to the poster's point, it's not a phone which he uses.

I bought an iPod Touch way back to the iPhone 3 thinking I did not need the phone. Big mistake as I learned about a month into ownership, so bought a iPhone 3S ( or was it G in those days?). Never been without one since. ;)

Reeves
Aug 22nd, 2019, 12:55 AM
That sounds like my iPod Touch except it's WiFi only.

But it doesn't text. It would need a phone number, a sim card. Texting, emails, googling, IM and camera would be all I need. Phone carriers don't seem to offer this type of plan. So why don't they? Would too many people select this? IDK

wonderings
Aug 22nd, 2019, 09:50 AM
But it doesn't text. It would need a phone number, a sim card. Texting, emails, googling, IM and camera would be all I need. Phone carriers don't seem to offer this type of plan. So why don't they? Would too many people select this? IDK

They do not want to cut into their sales. They do offer that sort of thing though for a iPad with 3G. I am guessing most of the big guys offer something

https://www.bell.ca/Mobility/Cell_phone_plans/Tablet_PC_data_plans