: macOS High Sierra 10.13


csonni
Sep 25th, 2017, 08:27 AM
So, I assume High Sierra will be released at 10 a.m. PST today. I'll be downloading and installing this evening. I'll create a bootable flash drive shortly so I can eventually do a clean install. It'll be interesting to hear the reviews.

polywog
Sep 25th, 2017, 09:35 AM
I've been running the GM for a week or so, it's pretty decent, however I find my mac is a bit more sluggish than before. Then again, it may be a good time to wipe and install clean.

Particularly like how they beefed up Photos, and that faces finally sync to iPhone.

csonni
Sep 25th, 2017, 11:03 AM
Particularly like how they beefed up Photos, and that faces finally sync to iPhone.

I'm looking forward to checking out Photos. If it holds up, I may make it my image manager. I hesitate to copy all my 12,000 images into its Library. If I deselect the "copy..." in Preferences, then I guess all those images would be referenced but not available to other devices through iCloud. Hmmm.

Just waiting for High Sierra to go online.....

csonni
Sep 25th, 2017, 02:10 PM
Downloading now

wonderings
Sep 25th, 2017, 02:24 PM
Will be installing it on my rMBP first and doing testing at work before doing any updates. There are no real "wow" features that make me want to push upgrading on my main machine and nothing that looks like it will drastically improve my Mac for the better in a pro environment.

SINC
Sep 25th, 2017, 04:01 PM
Hmmm, no sign of HS on my App Store updates at all yet.

wonderings
Sep 25th, 2017, 04:02 PM
Hmmm, no sign of HS on my App Store updates at all yet.

Same here, no update options yet.

csonni
Sep 25th, 2017, 04:30 PM
Type in macOS High Sierra in the search....it's there.

SINC
Sep 25th, 2017, 04:43 PM
Type in macOS High Sierra in the search....it's there.

That worked, thanks!

wonderings
Sep 25th, 2017, 04:49 PM
Seems there is already a pretty big exploit for High Sierra
"Patrick Wardle, a former NSA hacker who now serves as chief security researcher at ‎Synack, posted a video of the hack -- a password exfiltration exploit -- in action.

Passwords are stored in the Mac's Keychain, which typically requires a master login password to access the vault.

But Wardle has shown that the vulnerability allows an attacker to grab and steal every password in plain-text using an unsigned app downloaded from the internet, without needing that password."
Ex-NSA hacker drops macOS High Sierra zero-day hours before launch | ZDNet (http://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-macos-high-sierra-password-vulnerable-to-password-stealing-hack/?loc=newsletter_large_thumb_related&ftag=TREc64629f&bhid=20703142171098067451473055926429)

csonni
Sep 25th, 2017, 06:39 PM
Up and running. Usually I wait a day or so but not this time.
No issues. Safari doesn't seem as snappy as it is made out to be. Maybe there's some indexing going on in the background.

macintosh doctor
Sep 25th, 2017, 06:41 PM
i installed it on wife's laptop wow - it only took 3.5 hours and it reboot 10 times during install lol

BTW - filemaker pro 11 no longer supported [ i tested that ]. will test 12 -14 and see what happens.

csonni
Sep 25th, 2017, 06:48 PM
Ha! Imported one image in Photos and the app choked and locked up. Sweet!

eMacMan
Sep 25th, 2017, 08:14 PM
Seems there is already a pretty big exploit for High Sierra
"Patrick Wardle, a former NSA hacker who now serves as chief security researcher at ‎Synack, posted a video of the hack -- a password exfiltration exploit -- in action.

Passwords are stored in the Mac's Keychain, which typically requires a master login password to access the vault.

But Wardle has shown that the vulnerability allows an attacker to grab and steal every password in plain-text using an unsigned app downloaded from the internet, without needing that password."
Ex-NSA hacker drops macOS High Sierra zero-day hours before launch | ZDNet (http://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-macos-high-sierra-password-vulnerable-to-password-stealing-hack/?loc=newsletter_large_thumb_related&ftag=TREc64629f&bhid=20703142171098067451473055926429)

Not the reason I do not use Keychain. Seen too many cases where KC was corrupted, often during otherwise seamless updates.

csonni
Sep 25th, 2017, 08:21 PM
Photos app is, from what I can see, a joke. Dragging in images does nothing. Creating folders and dragging in images from the Library does nothing. And I was thinking of using this for managing all of my thousands of images! It can't even handle 6.

TiltAgain
Sep 26th, 2017, 07:10 AM
I too did not find HS under "Updates" in the App Store - I only found iMovie. I updated that, and then clicked on "Featured", saw HS there, clicked "Download" and then installed. All seems to be working fine so far; however I have one question:

When I open App Store and click on "Updates", it does not show that HS has been installed. Also, I clicked on "Purchased" - it shows all apps (including OS X Mavericks), but does not show HS at all.

Does that mean that in future if I ever have to download HS again, I cannot go into "Purchased" and re-download it? Is this a problem at all or am I worrying for nothing?

Thanks and cheers

BTW, the installation (both on my 2013 iMac and my 2010 MBPro) keep showing remaining time as 36 minutes for at least a couple of hours LOL.

wonderings
Sep 26th, 2017, 11:02 AM
I installed High Sierra on my rMBP today, everything went fine and all seems to be working as normal, in fact so normal that I do not even know what is different then regular old Sierra. Everything appears to look the same, photos at a glance is just a little different appearance wise, I am sure there is more under the hood but I only use photos for storing my pictures.

I do not notice any speed improvements, boots up the same. Still no fix for Apple mail not displaying the paper clip icon to indicate there is an attachment with pop mail accounts. Pretty meh update to me but I know this is MacOS elevated so it must be amazing despite no real noticeably differences.

monokitty
Sep 26th, 2017, 11:17 AM
For those struggling with finding HS in the App Store - it's not an update. Previous versions never appeared under Update, either. It's a new OS. It'll show up under Purchases once you download it the first time from the App Store front page. The 'Update' tab is for updates to pre-installed apps already on your Mac.

wonderings
Sep 26th, 2017, 12:05 PM
Previous versions never appeared under Update, either.

They used to show up in the "update" section in the App store, though they stopped a few version back I believe. It was in a big header that you could not miss:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4468/37333069761_eb7202b5b6_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/YSZJYz)osx-yosemite-upgrade-banner-mas (https://flic.kr/p/YSZJYz) by B P (https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4468/37333070501_72a73effc6_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/YSZKck)el-capitan-app-store-100618609-large970.idge (https://flic.kr/p/YSZKck) by B P (https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/), on Flickr

I still expect it to be there and look there first before remembering and going to the front page.

SINC
Sep 26th, 2017, 08:48 PM
Clean install, no issues about 45 minutes.

Ho hum, so little change you have to wonder what all the fuss was about. Meh.

csonni
Sep 26th, 2017, 08:56 PM
I see that the Airplay icon sits nicely in the menubar once again.

csonni
Sep 27th, 2017, 08:11 AM
I too did not find HS under "Updates" in the App Store - I only found iMovie. I updated that, and then clicked on "Featured", saw HS there, clicked "Download" and then installed. All seems to be working fine so far; however I have one question:

When I open App Store and click on "Updates", it does not show that HS has been installed. Also, I clicked on "Purchased" - it shows all apps (including OS X Mavericks), but does not show HS at all.

Does that mean that in future if I ever have to download HS again, I cannot go into "Purchased" and re-download it? Is this a problem at all or am I worrying for nothing?

Thanks and cheers

BTW, the installation (both on my 2013 iMac and my 2010 MBPro) keep showing remaining time as 36 minutes for at least a couple of hours LOL.

This should explain it:
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/26/macos-sierra-decoupled-from-apple-id/

SINC
Sep 27th, 2017, 08:41 AM
Not sure if it is just me or not, but I swear the upgrade to HS has dramatically improved the clarity and intensity of the display on my MacBook Pro 2.8 Ghz Intel Core i7 retina. Anyone else notice this?

wonderings
Sep 27th, 2017, 09:30 AM
Not sure if it is just me or not, but I swear the upgrade to HS has dramatically improved the clarity and intensity of the display on my MacBook Pro 2.8 Ghz Intel Core i7 retina. Anyone else notice this?

Have not noticed any difference on my 15" Retina MacBook Pro display, all looks as it did before, no difference in clarity or intensity.

CubaMark
Sep 27th, 2017, 10:48 AM
One of the major changes for anyone with an SSD should be a considerable amount of free space, given that the new OS is radically different from HFS+.... something anyone who purchased a MacBook Air or Pro with a 128gb drive should appreciate. I'm waiting for the .1 release to install ;)

wonderings
Sep 27th, 2017, 10:56 AM
One of the major changes for anyone with an SSD should be a considerable amount of free space, given that the new OS is radically different from HFS+.... something anyone who purchased a MacBook Air or Pro with a 128gb drive should appreciate. I'm waiting for the .1 release to install ;)

Will have to check that when I upgrade my 5k iMac. I have 1tb flash drive and usually sitting with around 120 gigs of free space. I did not pay attention when I upgraded my rMBP, it as 512 gig flash drive but not sure how much it had before the upgrade to compare.

Macfury
Sep 27th, 2017, 11:20 AM
Meanwhile, the OS is trying to make my Mac more secure by resetting all of those "unsupported" apps I use daily as not safe to open every 30 days. That requires me to go back and change my preferences monthly. Concentrate on real security please.

wonderings
Sep 27th, 2017, 11:23 AM
Meanwhile, the OS is trying to make my Mac more secure by resetting all of those "unsupported" apps I use daily as not safe to open every 30 days. That requires me to go back and change my preferences monthly. Concentrate on real security please.

Is that a new "feature"? I had not heard of that and would find that super annoying.

Security & Privacy in preferences looks the same as Sierra.

Macfury
Sep 27th, 2017, 11:44 AM
It's not new, but it has just started vexing me lately.

Is that a new "feature"? I had not heard of that and would find that super annoying.

Security & Privacy in preferences looks the same as Sierra.

pm-r
Sep 27th, 2017, 03:19 PM
@wonderings
Pretty meh update to me but I know this is MacOS elevated so it must be amazing despite no real noticeably differences.

:lmao:

Yeah, it certainly should be an amazing upgrade 'cause Apple said so. Yup!!! :o :D

PS: I had that Mail attachment icon problem but got it fixed somehow with Mavericks and I'll have to try a find out how and what I did.

- Patrick
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wonderings
Sep 27th, 2017, 03:27 PM
@wonderings


:lmao:

Yeah, it certainly should be an amazing upgrade 'cause Apple said so. Yup!!! :o :D

PS: I had that Mail attachment icon problem but got it fixed somehow with Mavericks and I'll have to try a find out how and what I did.

- Patrick
======

Would definitely like to know what you did. I am trying to remember when the problem popped up for me, I think it might have been with Sierra or the previous version. Apple support had no fix.

pm-r
Sep 27th, 2017, 03:28 PM
@TiltAgain
Does that mean that in future if I ever have to download HS again, I cannot go into "Purchased" and re-download it? Is this a problem at all or am I worrying for nothing?

Forget what Apple might do and I'd strongly suggest downloading all major macOS X Install versions and put them and/or make a copy and keep them safe somewhere and do so before running the install that will often remove the installer.

pm-r
Sep 27th, 2017, 03:39 PM
@wonderings
Would definitely like to know what you did. I am trying to remember when the problem popped up for me, I think it might have been with Sierra or the previous version. Apple support had no fix.

I assume you use Mail's Classic view (and much more Normal to me) view???

The problem started or at least noticed with me whem going from Snow Leopard to Mavericks, and I hardly ever used anything in between (Lion, ML, Yosemite) and the "settings" have stuck ever since, whatever it was. Maybe I'll have to google again:

Apple mail not displaying the paper clip icon to indicate there is an attachment with pop mail accounts
Apple mail not displaying the paper clip icon to indicate there is an attachment with pop mail accounts - Bing (http://www.bing.com/search?q=Apple+mail+not+displaying+the+paper+clip+ icon+to+indicate+there+is+an+attachment+with+pop+m ail+accounts&form=APMCS1)
or
https://www.google.ca/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Apple+mail+not+displaying+the+paper+clip+icon+to +indicate+there+is+an+attachment+with+pop+mail+acc ounts&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=TPLLWc6TB8TM8geahruwCA

wonderings
Sep 27th, 2017, 03:50 PM
@wonderings


I assume you use Mail's Classic view (and much more Normal to me) view???

The problem started or at least noticed with me whem going from Snow Leopard to Mavericks, and I hardly ever used anything in between (Lion, ML, Yosemite) and the "settings" have stuck ever since, whatever it was. Maybe I'll have to google again:

Apple mail not displaying the paper clip icon to indicate there is an attachment with pop mail accounts
Apple mail not displaying the paper clip icon to indicate there is an attachment with pop mail accounts - Bing (http://www.bing.com/search?q=Apple+mail+not+displaying+the+paper+clip+ icon+to+indicate+there+is+an+attachment+with+pop+m ail+accounts&form=APMCS1)
or
https://www.google.ca/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Apple+mail+not+displaying+the+paper+clip+icon+to +indicate+there+is+an+attachment+with+pop+mail+acc ounts&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=TPLLWc6TB8TM8geahruwCA


I do use classic view, I prefer it. Not even sure how it I would change it back now if I wanted to look at the "modern" view.

pm-r
Sep 27th, 2017, 04:09 PM
@wonderings

It looks like I did post my "fix" a while ago but it seems it didn't work for you, unless you want to try again or do some web searching that's about all I can suggest, but I'd at least try the suggestions again:
https://www.ehmac.ca/mac-iphone-ipad-ipod-help-troubleshooting/145474-apple-mail-sierra-not-showing-attachment-paper-clip-2.html

PS: I'm assuming the Attachment column is actually showing and is also wide enough to show the attachment paperclip and numberů.???

- Patrick
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wonderings
Sep 27th, 2017, 04:27 PM
@wonderings

It looks like I did post my "fix" a while ago but it seems it didn't work for you, unless you want to try again or do some web searching that's about all I can suggest, but I'd at least try the suggestions again:
https://www.ehmac.ca/mac-iphone-ipad-ipod-help-troubleshooting/145474-apple-mail-sierra-not-showing-attachment-paper-clip-2.html

PS: I'm assuming the Attachment column is actually showing and is also wide enough to show the attachment paperclip and numberů.???

- Patrick
======

Yes I had tried that with no luck. I have pretty much resigned myself to working without it. Apple has no interest in fixing or even addressing the problem. It is probably deemed "old tech" by them and not worth their time.

The attachment column is showing and is wide enough, it works perfectly on another email account (IMAP) that I have in mail.

macintosh doctor
Sep 27th, 2017, 11:23 PM
i have been saying it for a while - switch to airmail.. apple is dumbing down everything lately.

TiltAgain
Sep 28th, 2017, 03:21 AM
This should explain it:
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/26/macos-sierra-decoupled-from-apple-id/

Ah, thanks :)

That still does not explain though, as to why it never showed up in Updates. Well, never mind, it all worked out in the end.

Cheers

TiltAgain
Sep 28th, 2017, 03:23 AM
@TiltAgain


Forget what Apple might do and I'd strongly suggest downloading all major macOS X Install versions and put them and/or make a copy and keep them safe somewhere and do so before running the install that will often remove the installer.

Way ahead of you :). I have EL Cap, Sierra and High Sierra. I used to have it all the way back to Snow Leopard, but deleted those recently.

Cheers

wonderings
Sep 28th, 2017, 11:26 AM
i have been saying it for a while - switch to airmail.. apple is dumbing down everything lately.

I do have AirMail, I stopped using it for some reason I cannot remember why. Will have to take a look at it again.

pm-r
Sep 28th, 2017, 01:57 PM
i have been saying it for a while - switch to airmail.. apple is dumbing down everything lately.


I sure won't argue with your comment regarding some Apple apps, but it seems that Airmail.app relating to attachments display seems to have messed things up:
SeptimusSep 27, 2017+0 Is this app still displaying attachments as silly *huge* icons with truncated file names? That's a real deal breaker for me. Spark, Canary and even Thunderbird use a much more elegant way to handle attachments.
https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/48173/airmail

macintosh doctor
Sep 28th, 2017, 07:16 PM
I sure won't argue with your comment regarding some Apple apps, but it seems that Airmail.app relating to attachments display seems to have messed things up:

https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/48173/airmail

i am confused how are attachments messed up?

pm-r
Sep 28th, 2017, 08:08 PM
i am confused how are attachments messed up?


I don't know other than what the poster said and quoted above, and for more, one would need to contact the poster I guess:
Septimus Sep 27, 2017
https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/48173/airmail

Anyway, not really macOS High Sierra 10.13 related.

macintosh doctor
Sep 28th, 2017, 09:48 PM
I don't know other than what the poster said and quoted above, and for more, one would need to contact the poster I guess:
Septimus Sep 27, 2017
https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/48173/airmail

Anyway, not really macOS High Sierra 10.13 related.

most of the reviews i ignore - biased or those who have no idea how to use the app so bash it.

monokitty
Sep 28th, 2017, 10:29 PM
Apple Mail for me shows the paperclip beside emails with attachments. (macOS 10.13.)

pm-r
Sep 28th, 2017, 11:51 PM
Apple Mail for me shows the paperclip beside emails with attachments. (macOS 10.13.)


I assume it was doing the same for you with macOS 10.12 and earlier as well and as it did/does for many users.

Unfortunately there are a lot of users still with the problem, and a lot of "me toos" and various forums but no real fix suggestions other that some that has already been mentioned:
How to Fix Mail Not Showing Attachments in Mac OS Sierra
How to Fix Mail Not Showing Attachments in Mac OS Sierra (http://osxdaily.com/2016/12/17/fix-mail-not-showing-attachments-mac/)

Others don't have much to say for a fix:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7678885?start=45&tstart=0

SINC
Sep 29th, 2017, 02:09 PM
Not sure if it is just me or not, but I swear the upgrade to HS has dramatically improved the clarity and intensity of the display on my MacBook Pro 2.8 Ghz Intel Core i7 retina. Anyone else notice this?

Have not noticed any difference on my 15" Retina MacBook Pro display, all looks as it did before, no difference in clarity or intensity.

Well, I now know the reason for my first comment. When I work on my web site which I do usually between midnight and 3:00 a.m., I have always kept the screen brightness at the lowest possible setting and set the brightness to automatically adjust brightness. I do this because I never turn on lights during that time so I don't wake up anyone else in the house. I do this also to conserve battery time.

When HS installed, it set the brightness to way over half and it stayed that way during those early morning hours, thus my impression of a dramatic increase in clarity. Once I discovered this and turned the keyboard controls back to the lowest setting, all is back to what I was used to.

Mea culpa.

neojjjk
Oct 14th, 2017, 11:42 PM
parental controls not working properly

macintosh doctor
Oct 15th, 2017, 11:16 AM
parental controls not working properly

use a DNS based control - works all the time
https://www.neustar.biz/security/dns-services/free-recursive-dns-service