: iPhone X and more


wonderings
Sep 13th, 2017, 11:11 AM
Things certainly have changed in the Mac community and here on ehMac. A new release of a new iPhone, updates and such and not a single thread... at least that I have seen. I am not surprised though, the magic, innovation and excitement seems to be gone from new Apple releases. While the iPhone X looks very cool, there is not a whole lot there, at least not enough to say this iPhone X is like the first iPhone to be released and will change everything.

I have to say Apples smugness has gotten very annoying with everything being "amazing" and "the best thing ever". What was really released? Some nice things for sure, wireless charging, not game changing and has been out for a long time on Android phones, facial recognition, again a nice feature but not new and been out on Android. The better camera is a given and really they make way to big a deal about that. Every flagship phone gets these updates, better battery, better camera, better screen, faster cpu, etc.

Pretty much since the inception of the iPhone I have bought a new iPhone with each release. With sky rocketing prices of the iPhone X and really not a whole lot of "wow" outside of the nerdy love of that big screen with almost no bezel, I cannot see a huge improvement over my 7 plus, at least nothing that is really going to benefit me greatly. I like wireless charging but I am not paying $1500 for that feature. Also feels like a slap in the face and a real greed move by Apple ( I know I know they are out to make money) by getting rid of the 128 gig model. 64 gigs is to small, 256 is way to big, 128 was perfect and had a better price point for me and I am sure there are a few others who feel the same. Same thing goes for the Apple Watch. Instead of lowering the price of the Apple Watch 2 to make way for the 3, they remove the 2 altogether and keep the Apple Watch 1 and 3. I would buy a reduced price Apple Watch 2. I currently use a fitbit but like the Apple Watch better, other then the price.

I am not getting ride of my Apple products by any means, but I am certainly not spending near as much as I used to. I also do not think Apple will change or do anything better, outside of bigger and better emojis and better cameras as they are making money... a lot of it. I get it from their end, keep going as it is selling, but as an end user they really have taken a step down in my opinion.

Maybe it is just me, but this is not the Apple I grew to love under Steve Jobs.

CubaMark
Sep 13th, 2017, 11:32 AM
One announcement that folks may have missed is the unbundling of the iOS App Store from iTunes. All iOS apps now must be loaded from within the iOS device directly.

As for pricing and "not the Apple" that you knew... well, it is IMHO. You don't have to buy the iPhone X. There are new iPhone 8s out there for you to go with, with wireless charging, etc. Apple's hardware has always commanded a premium over other brands, with the tight OS / hardware integration being the major selling point.

The iPhone X will sell in droves. Lots of conspicuous income available out there. I do think the lack of a 128gb model is odd, but it is what it is.

JAMG
Sep 13th, 2017, 01:25 PM
As Apple has made iOS incompatible with every other bit of Apple tech i own over the last 2 years, a new iPhone is very low on my list of things to buy.
Meh...

robert
Sep 13th, 2017, 05:15 PM
well put wonderings.felt the same way when I had to update my desktop computer.
gone is the "magic" of the G3/G4/G5 era.
Less choice and higher prices. :-(
luckily, I just use my iPhone 5s as a phone, so no need to upgrade.
the iPad pro is another story though, saving my pennies for the newest update.
I feel the "think different" is now dead and profit rules the day.

polywog
Sep 14th, 2017, 10:19 AM
I thought there was plenty of neat news; I wasn't interested in the iPhone X prior to the keynote, and while it was is a neat little device, I'm going to let the must haves beta test that for me for a year before I go near it, much for teh same reason I always stuck to the 's' devices. The 8/8 Plus are nice, though I'm not up for an upgrade this year, so it will have to wait. In a way I see the X as "next year's phone, now" in which case CubaMark is right, you should be weighing your current phone to the 8s.

I really did like what they did with Watch 3, but I'm worried Bell will ruin it with ridiculous pricing schemes.

One point though wonderings; you alluded to new features on the new iPhones having been around for a while on Android phones. You're conflating android with vendors that use android. If you buy a phone that runs Android, you are not guaranteed wireless charging, nor face recognition or any slew of other features. That's up to the vendors, are their implementations are hit or miss. And typically the vendor extends android to include those features. So, I submit they aren't "Android" features at all.

While at times frustrating, I've always applauded Apple for only including a feature once they "get it right."

wonderings
Sep 14th, 2017, 10:32 AM
I thought there was plenty of neat news; I wasn't interested in the iPhone X prior to the keynote, and while it was is a neat little device, I'm going to let the must haves beta test that for me for a year before I go near it, much for teh same reason I always stuck to the 's' devices. The 8/8 Plus are nice, though I'm not up for an upgrade this year, so it will have to wait. In a way I see the X as "next year's phone, now" in which case CubaMark is right, you should be weighing your current phone to the 8s.

I really did like what they did with Watch 3, but I'm worried Bell will ruin it with ridiculous pricing schemes.

One point though wonderings; you alluded to new features on the new iPhones having been around for a while on Android phones. You're conflating android with vendors that use android. If you buy a phone that runs Android, you are not guaranteed wireless charging, nor face recognition or any slew of other features. That's up to the vendors, are their implementations are hit or miss. And typically the vendor extends android to include those features. So, I submit they aren't "Android" features at all.

While at times frustrating, I've always applauded Apple for only including a feature once they "get it right."

The view of Apple has certainly changed, ehMac itself is evidence of that. I remember the hype, the multiple threads, the reviews of keynotes. I was surprised again not seeing a single thread about the iPhone X, or anything other then a few older threads rehashed that talked about wanting a 4k Apple TV.

I do understand Android, I guess I was more talking about the Samsung flag ship phones and other premium Android phones, I know it is very fragmented out there for Android users.

polywog
Sep 14th, 2017, 10:42 AM
The view of Apple has certainly changed, ehMac itself is evidence of that. I remember the hype, the multiple threads, the reviews of keynotes. I was surprised again not seeing a single thread about the iPhone X, or anything other then a few older threads rehashed that talked about wanting a 4k Apple TV.

I don't know that it doesn't have as much to do with the readership here, as the announcements themselves. The discussions about Apple take a backseat to non-related threads. Not a complaint mind you. It feels like ehMac (and other forums) have gone a little sideways since facebook picked up steam.

Back to the keynote, Carrot weather got updated with AR Kit features. It's a gimmick in this example, but it's pretty neat all the same, seeing the weather float around over a surface. I can certainly see a lot of potential. Would LOVE to see maps updated so that turn by turn directions are in AR.

maximusbibicus
Sep 14th, 2017, 10:48 AM
$1800 for a 256GB iPhone X with AppleCare after tax.

Insanity.

I'm happy that at least the 6s and 7 are still available. Still great phones at decent prices.

monokitty
Sep 14th, 2017, 11:37 AM
I think the lack of hype and excitement around the new products here on ehMac isn't that we don't care for them but rather the low level of traffic on ehMac in general.

Now, on to the actual products introduced on Tuesday - I'll be pre-ordering the base iPhone 8. Coming from a 64GB iPhone 6 from 2014, it will be a much welcomed upgrade. The speed difference alone will be ridiculous. I think the long-time Apple fanboys are too accustomed to mind-blowing products year after year which is now slowing and the upgrades year-over-year are more subtle - that doesn't mean the products aren't great or neat, but rather our expectations are unrealistically high based on the past. If you have an iPhone 7, I can see why you aren't excited about the 8 or X - the upgrade is not this huge out of this world thing. It's more subtle. But if you're coming from a 6s or older, I think the upgrade will be considerable, especially if you're on a 6 (like I am) or even older.

It's OK not to feel compelled to buy a new Apple product every year - I certainly don't. It's been 3 years since my last iPhone purchase and more than 4 since my last Mac purchase. This doesn't mean Apple isn't putting out great products - it means what you own currently is working just fine for you.

wonderings
Sep 14th, 2017, 11:57 AM
I think the lack of hype and excitement around the new products here on ehMac isn't that we don't care for them but rather the low level of traffic on ehMac in general.

Now, on to the actual products introduced on Tuesday - I'll be pre-ordering the base iPhone 8. Coming from a 64GB iPhone 6 from 2014, it will be a much welcomed upgrade. The speed difference alone will be ridiculous. I think the long-time Apple fanboys are too accustomed to mind-blowing products year after year which is now slowing and the upgrades year-over-year are more subtle - that doesn't mean the products aren't great or neat, but rather our expectations are unrealistically high based on the past. If you have an iPhone 7, I can see why you aren't excited about the 8 or X - the upgrade is not this huge out of this world thing. It's more subtle. But if you're coming from a 6s or older, I think the upgrade will be considerable, especially if you're on a 6 (like I am) or even older.

It's OK not to feel compelled to buy a new Apple product every year - I certainly don't. It's been 3 years since my last iPhone purchase and more than 4 since my last Mac purchase. This doesn't mean Apple isn't putting out great products - it means what you own currently is working just fine for you.

I think there are high expectations from consumers but Apple also feeds right into it declaring every new device as the most amazing thing ever. I am certainly used to the Apple of old that just seemed to do no wrong with every update and product release.

robert
Sep 14th, 2017, 02:00 PM
well, you must have a short memory then. :-)
the silver door G4 duals which sounded like a vacuum cleaner?
All the G3s
G5 early models
latest Mac pros
3rd gen iPod
iPad 3

they have miffed a few times, but then there was a vibrant used market from which to draw.
upgradability was also an option which has disappeared. what you buy now is it, internals are extremely if not impossible to upgrade.
I remember the side access to the G4s and what a difference it made in upgrading video cards, ram. His and DVD burners.

wonderings
Sep 14th, 2017, 02:56 PM
well, you must have a short memory then. :-)
the silver door G4 duals which sounded like a vacuum cleaner?
All the G3s
G5 early models
latest Mac pros
3rd gen iPod
iPad 3

they have miffed a few times, but then there was a vibrant used market from which to draw.
upgradability was also an option which has disappeared. what you buy now is it, internals are extremely if not impossible to upgrade.
I remember the side access to the G4s and what a difference it made in upgrading video cards, ram. His and DVD burners.

I do not remember any serious noises from my dual G4's unless you are talking about the quick silver models, did not have one of those. The G4 tower was a fantastic design and only got better with a G5 Tower which still looks amazing today and is clean, stylish and all the while being functional and easy to use and upgrade.

Latest Mac Pros fall into what is wrong with Apple and their approach to the pro community.

Not sure what was wrong with the 3rd gen iPod or iPad 3. Apple is not perfect obviously, but they had a pretty good batting average for a long time.

robert
Sep 14th, 2017, 03:45 PM
here is an article on the G4 noise problem:

Installing Apple's G4 Noise Mod (http://www.splefty.com/G4mod/)

iPod 3rd was something to do with changing the wheel design, next gen was switched back to the old format.

The iPad 3 was replaced less than 6 months later with the 4th gen.

Apples track record is very impressive, but they have made mistakes.

I agree on the G4 to metal Mac Pro form factor. The best ever. I hated to have to upgrade to a iMac recently.
Apple should go back to a similar form factor with the new rumoured Mac Pros.
So great for optimizing and expanding.

BReligion
Sep 14th, 2017, 03:55 PM
...If you have an iPhone 7, I can see why you aren't excited about the 8 or X - the upgrade is not this huge out of this world thing. It's more subtle. But if you're coming from a 6s or older, I think the upgrade will be considerable, especially if you're on a 6 (like I am) or even older.

It's OK not to feel compelled to buy a new Apple product every year - I certainly don't. It's been 3 years since my last iPhone purchase and more than 4 since my last Mac purchase. This doesn't mean Apple isn't putting out great products - it means what you own currently is working just fine for you.

+1..
I posted in another thread I just upgraded to a 7 from a 6.. Wow what a difference. the tech specs between the 7 and the 8 don't warrant the upgrade.
20% faster processor and wireless charging don't do it alone. Most other aspects of the 8 are the same as the 7, with the exception of the 128GB (which I have and LOVE!)

Coming from the 6 as mentioned.. yeah it will be amazing.. I mean the screen on the 7 compared to the 6 is even night and day... plus features like multi touch well worth it. I was trying to wait for the 8, but my 6 died in July and I couldn't be without (and switched carriers etc etc).

I also agree with the... not feeling compelled to upgrade just because a new device was released.. that started with the 3G and the 3GS. I think that's when "they" and I speak to all manufacturers.. "They" feel the need to crank out something so as not to loose market share. I think the every other year or every 2-3 years is well worth the upgrade for the iPhone in the apple ecosystem... I think it's impossible to come up with something astounding year after year.
Apple never did that with the iPod or anything else.. it was and always has been every couple of years there was a major wow factor.

BReligion

CubaMark
Sep 14th, 2017, 04:34 PM
New accessory released for the iPhone X:

http://uberhumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/0cjdzx2itqlz.png

monokitty
Sep 15th, 2017, 12:05 PM
I pre-ordered the iPhone 8 64GB. Historically, I've kept every iPhone for 3 years, minus the 3GS which I kept 2 years (followed by the 4s and 6). I'm hoping to get another 3 out of the iPhone 8 and don't think it will be a problem to do so. Even the iPhone 6 on iOS 11 isn't terrible - it's certainly a lot slower than iOS 8 it shipped with, but hardly unusable.

polywog
Sep 17th, 2017, 01:29 PM
I pre-ordered the iPhone 8 64GB. Historically, I've kept every iPhone for 3 years, minus the 3GS which I kept 2 years (followed by the 4s and 6). I'm hoping to get another 3 out of the iPhone 8 and don't think it will be a problem to do so. Even the iPhone 6 on iOS 11 isn't terrible - it's certainly a lot slower than iOS 8 it shipped with, but hardly unusable.

My wife just pre-ordered as well. I'm a little jealous, especially because of the extra storage :)

pm-r
Sep 17th, 2017, 03:00 PM
@polywog
My wife just pre-ordered as well. I'm a little jealous, especially because of the extra storage :)


Will she be selling her old one as I'm interested if it's a iPhone 6 or 6S, 64GB preferred, and would be at a good reasonable price.

- Patrick
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polywog
Sep 18th, 2017, 05:08 AM
@polywog



Will she be selling her old one as I'm interested if it's a iPhone 6 or 6S, 64GB preferred, and would be at a good reasonable price.

- Patrick
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Sadly she traded it in. It was only a 16GB at any rate, and locked to Rogers.

macintosh doctor
Sep 18th, 2017, 02:15 PM
One announcement that folks may have missed is the unbundling of the iOS App Store from iTunes. All iOS apps now must be loaded from within the iOS device directly.

this is concern for me
as I have older apps like filemaker which they no longer allow us to download from the store from your purchased items..
also this is also pushing us to purchase iCloud for back ups as well.. i know its only $1.3 a month but still a concern as we are not depend on apple servers more plus internet.

pm-r
Sep 18th, 2017, 03:33 PM
@polywog
Sadly she traded it in. It was only a 16GB at any rate, and locked to Rogers.


Thanks and that would have been adequate and the 7-11 Speakout we use piggybacks onto the Rogers network, so just a new SIM would have worked.

Anyway things are looking much better than anything I missed thanks to my eldest son, also an Authorized Apple Tech/Dealer, who possibly might have a super good deal for me with a 6S or maybe even a 7 model.