: New MacBook Pros — say hello to all the needed adapters


pm-r
Oct 31st, 2016, 03:58 PM
New MacBook Pros — say hello to all the needed adapters and maybe a new carry bag to keep them all in… just for a companion New MacBook Pro article…

Welcome to Apple's new way and direction I guess — at least for some… :(

https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/27/apples-new-macbook-pro-just-killed-off-most-of-the-ports-you-probably-need/

All the adapters you need to buy for the MacBook Pro with Thunderbolt 3 (http://www.macworld.com/article/3136583/macbook-accessories/macbook-pro-thunderbolt-3-adapter-guide-how-to-connect-an-iphone-display-hard-drive-and-more.html)

wonderings
Oct 31st, 2016, 04:04 PM
another step backwards. The MagSafe was such a genius and useful feature. I have no kids, but all my friends do and have told me on more then one occasion they have been thankful for the MagSafe connection, be it a dog jumping off a couch and yanking it free or the kids running through. Another step backwards away from usability and function.

pm-r
Oct 31st, 2016, 04:52 PM
As great as the MagSafe connector, it's demise probably isn't as backwards as the loss of the other generally used ports I'd say, and at least there is some "break-away" standard force specced for the USB-C connector.

Two views here:
Will your new MacBook crash to the ground without MagSafe? (Yes.) | Macworld (http://www.macworld.com/article/2895694/will-your-new-macbook-crash-to-the-ground-without-magsafe-yes.html)
The Death of Apple's Magsafe Isn't a Big Deal (http://appadvice.com/post/the-death-of-apples-magsafe-isnt-a-big-deal/725427)

But at least a New MacBook Pro user won't have to bother with Apple kb article: :D
Apple Portables: Troubleshooting MagSafe adapters
https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT203207

monokitty
Oct 31st, 2016, 04:57 PM
This is a short transition period. USB-C is the future. In a few months (or earlier), all USB-based accessories will ship with USB-C connectors and this whole "a million dongles for your new MacBook Pro" rhetoric will end.

heavyall
Oct 31st, 2016, 05:06 PM
Such a gong show of upheaval for a device that is using processors that are already a year old. Either go all-in on the latest and greatest, or stick with incremental change. Each new Macbook Pro makes me even more thankful that I managed to pick up my 2012 15" MBP before they discontinued it.

CubaMark
Oct 31st, 2016, 06:53 PM
Such a gong show of upheaval for a device that is using processors that are already a year old.

Actually, the Kaby Lake processors are not yet available. This is a red herring.

Why Are Apple and Microsoft Using Such Old Processors in Their New Computers? (http://gizmodo.com/why-are-apple-and-microsoft-using-such-old-processors-i-1788302547)

HowEver
Oct 31st, 2016, 07:54 PM
My 12" MacBook Retina came with a USB-C to USB-B adapter, and I bought one other adapter. I use them about once a month. And that's with 1 USB-C for power and everything else, not the 4 ports the new ones come with.

Most people won't miss the ports. And if you really want a very light computer, a magsafe won't work that well anymore. I do miss that. But I'm careful enough.

pm-r
Oct 31st, 2016, 08:57 PM
And if you really want a very light computer, a magsafe won't work that well anymore…


Good point on the mass, and so QED, will work even less so using the USB-C port/connections.

SINC
Oct 31st, 2016, 10:02 PM
So Apple regresses to tripping over a damn cord and dropping your laptop on the floor? That's progress? Think different not. They have become partially brain dead.

Dr_AL
Oct 31st, 2016, 10:21 PM
My 12" MacBook Retina came with a USB-C to USB-B adapter, and I bought one other adapter. I use them about once a month. And that's with 1 USB-C for power and everything else, not the 4 ports the new ones come with.



Most people won't miss the ports. And if you really want a very light computer, a magsafe won't work that well anymore. I do miss that. But I'm careful enough.



I haven't missed any of the lack of ports on my Retina MacBook. I thought I might but I just have the single AV adapter with usb-c, hdmi and USB when needed and it has covered all my needs.

The USB-c wall plug has worked in a pinch for other devices too so now I no longer need the damn MagSafe plug with fraying ends. I questioned the USB-c plug originally on my MacBook. I do not question the move now.


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pm-r
Oct 31st, 2016, 11:29 PM
So Apple regresses to tripping over a damn cord and dropping your laptop on the floor? That's progress? Think different not. They have become partially brain dead.


And now they admit that they've been doing it all wrong for what, ten years of MagSafe use now??

Personally I think Apple needs to send their worshipped highness Sir Jony Ive on a long, very long holiday, with pay but no communication, for any design wise or software wise stuff and find a sensible replacement… :o

kloan
Nov 1st, 2016, 12:02 AM
...I no longer need the damn MagSafe plug with fraying ends.


Well that was poor build quality. The included USB type C cords can just as easily fall apart like their other cables have. At least replacement cables will be cheaper, and can be purchased from many retailers.

There are magnetic usb type c adapter/cables on the market now.

heavyall
Nov 1st, 2016, 09:50 AM
And now they admit that they've been doing it all wrong for what, ten years of MagSafe use now??

Personally I think Apple needs to send their worshipped highness Sir Jony Ive on a long, very long holiday, with pay but no communication, for any design wise or software wise stuff and find a sensible replacement… :o

I strongly agree. Jony Ive ran out of useful ideas a long time ago.

heavyall
Nov 1st, 2016, 09:51 AM
This is a red herring.



No it isn't.

CubaMark
Nov 1st, 2016, 09:59 AM
No it isn't.

Explain please.

You can't just drop a chip into a motherboard without testing. If the new generation chip which is compatible (wattage, etc.) with the new MBPs isn't even fabricated yet, do you expect Apple to go back in time once it's released? Or should they have delayed until Spring 2017, alienating its customers even more?

gwillikers
Nov 2nd, 2016, 02:17 AM
Why is it that Thunderbolt -> eSATA, or, Thunderbolt -> FW 800 adapters appear to be missing in action??

I have several high quality (albeit older) external HD cases that I connect via eSATA or FW 800. They have USB 2 as well, but that's a laugher speed wise.

SINC
Nov 2nd, 2016, 04:30 AM
https://youtu.be/mRKN3tvS9F0

mRKN3tvS9F0

monokitty
Nov 2nd, 2016, 11:08 AM
Why is it that Thunderbolt -> eSATA, or, Thunderbolt -> FW 800 adapters appear to be missing in action??

I have several high quality (albeit older) external HD cases that I connect via eSATA or FW 800. They have USB 2 as well, but that's a laugher speed wise.

Apple never made a anything-to-eSATA adapter, ever. And FW800 is beyond obsolete, so I'm not surprised they didn't make a USB-C to FW800 one. That said, they do make a USB-C to TB adapter, to which you could plug in the TB to FW800 adapter. Dual adapters, but it should work.

heavyall
Nov 2nd, 2016, 11:40 AM
Explain please.

This "brand new" Macbook Pro is already a year out of date, and in short order they'll be late for the next one. That is a legitimate concern, definitely not a red herring.

CubaMark
Nov 2nd, 2016, 12:25 PM
heavyall, I'm not getting your point. You complained that Apple is using a processor that is already a year old... and I've cited articles showing that there really wasn't any choice if they were going to launch the new MBPs in time for the Xmas buying spree. Would you prefer that they wait until the 2nd half of 2017 for new processors to be available? What options did Apple have?

pm-r
Nov 2nd, 2016, 02:17 PM
Why is it that Thunderbolt -> eSATA, or, Thunderbolt -> FW 800 adapters appear to be missing in action??

I have several high quality (albeit older) external HD cases that I connect via eSATA or FW 800. They have USB 2 as well, but that's a laugher speed wise.



If you're lucky enough to have the more modern Thunderbolt 3, at least it uses the same USB Type-C port connector. But with some possible limitations it seems…

"According to the document, while all of the ports on the 15-inch MacBook Pro and the 13-inch MacBook Pro without a Touch Bar offer full Thunderbolt 3 performance, only two of the four ports on the 13-inch MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar support Thunderbolt 3 at full performance. …"
Thunderbolt 3 Ports on Right Side of 13-Inch MacBook Pro Have Reduced PCI Express Bandwidth - Mac Rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/28/macbook-pro-tb3-reduced-pci-express-bandwidth/)

It still blows my mind that no consideration is given to convenience or use with the new designs, even the original Thunderbolt is no real slouch and was only launched in 2011.

Anyway, definitely none of the new models on my shopping or wish list.

Gheese, I've already misplaced the Thunderbolt-Firewire adapter I bought a while ago and I imagine the same will happen to a lot of new users and their bag of any required adapters. :(

pm-r
Nov 2nd, 2016, 02:38 PM
Why is it that Thunderbolt -> eSATA, or, Thunderbolt -> FW 800 adapters appear to be missing in action??


I guess one has to use their wallets again, but at least there seem to be some adapters available to use most or some products:

Thunderbolt 3/USB-C Adapters, Cables, and Hubs for New MacBook Pro - Mac Rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/01/thunderbolt-3-usb-c-adapters-hubs-2016-mbp/)

https://www.google.ca/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=usb-c+adapter+hub&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gfe_rd=cr&ei=iCMaWNK1Fa_P8geuo6b4Cg

ehMax
Nov 3rd, 2016, 12:50 PM
Expensive, but pretty cool new Thunderbolt 3 dock from OWC (https://www.owcdigital.com/products/thunderbolt/thunderbolt-3-dock-overview).

https://www.owcdigital.com/assets/imgs/thunderbolt/tb3dk/ports_tb3dk.jpg

gwillikers
Nov 4th, 2016, 02:48 AM
Expensive, but pretty cool new Thunderbolt 3 dock from OWC (https://www.owcdigital.com/products/thunderbolt/thunderbolt-3-dock-overview).

That looks perfect... except until you convert to Canadian dollars and add in the tax and shipping. :yikes: :-(

macintosh doctor
Nov 4th, 2016, 09:58 AM
Expensive, but pretty cool new Thunderbolt 3 dock from OWC (https://www.owcdigital.com/products/thunderbolt/thunderbolt-3-dock-overview).


extra bulk and it wont work if i am a road warrior, where i have to look for an outlet to power it up, not to mentio the USB ports are 5Gb/s not 10Gb/s already dated.. go figure..
it needs to function without power or it is pointless for professionals like AV and graphics etc
ever do a photo shoot on site?

fyrefly
Nov 4th, 2016, 05:32 PM
Note that Apple reduced USB-C adapter/dongle pricing today through to the end of 2016. Possibly in response to all the outrage over having to buy new dongles on top of an already overpriced (IMHO) new laptop?

Apple cutting prices on USB-C, Thunderbolt 3 accessories until end of the year | iMore (http://www.imore.com/apple-usb-c-thunderbolt-3-price-cut)

pm-r
Nov 4th, 2016, 06:29 PM
I was just about to post the same info…

For those affected or whatever…

Apple temporarily cuts USB-C dongle prices to appease MacBook Pro buyers…

Through the end of the year, buying a USB-C to USB adapter from Apple will cost $9 instead of $19. [+ exchange for Canadian site users. And similar reductions on other similar adapters.]

Bold mine.

The only hitch remaining? These price drops are temporary.

https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/04/apple-usb-c-adapters-cheaper-macbook-pro-but-not-for-long/

pm-r
Nov 4th, 2016, 07:06 PM
I was just about to post the same info…

And just to add a note from Now's your chance to grab a cheap USB-C dongle from Apple | TechRadar (http://www.techradar.com/news/nows-your-chance-to-grab-a-cheap-usb-c-dongle-from-apple)

"Even with these discount, Apple’s accessories are still more expensive compared to those from Monoprice and Amazon Basics – and don't forget about our best USB-C accessories guide. "

CubaMark
Nov 4th, 2016, 07:30 PM
Oopsies.

Apple Abandoned MagSafe: Abandon Hope, Ye Clumsy (http://ifixit.org/blog/8527/apple-no-magsafe/)

...sacrificing the MagSafe on the altar of progress is a bigger misstep than tripping over your power cord. What’s worse, the USB-C connections on the 13-inch MacBook Pro we just tore down are soldered to the logic board (Touch Bar edition configurations are yet to be seen). Trip over your cords too much, and you’ll loosen the connection between the port and the board. Eventually, you won’t be able to charge the laptop at all.

https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/HMLksCwFSVOO66Ap.medium

If you’re a microsoldering expert, you might be able to fix the port on your own. But I can’t microsolder. And neither can anyone behind Apple’s Genius Bar. Instead, fixing a broken USB-C port will require you to replace the whole logic board. Which is expensive. Oh, and since the Touch Bar’s built-in Touch ID is tied to the logic board, you’ll basically need to replace the whole laptop. Oops.

(iFixit (http://ifixit.org/blog/8527/apple-no-magsafe/))

pm-r
Nov 4th, 2016, 08:45 PM
Or spend $30.00+ for a January solution for ALL the new models.

Kickstarter: Snapnator brings a low-profile MagSafe-like connection to all USB-C MacBook Pros

A pledge of $29 will get you the Snapnator USB-C magnetic connector and its adapter. Higher pledges include a USB-C to USB converters and a USB-C hub.

https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/03/kickstarter-snapnator-magsafe-alternative-macbook-pro/

My comments on Apple's or Jony's recent designs and direction aren't really fix for public forums.

pm-r
Nov 4th, 2016, 11:04 PM
It seems that the older 2015 video for the then "new" MacBooks still seems quite appropriate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHZ8ek-6ccc&ab_channel=ArmandoFerreira

and of course all its recent morphs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXuVAi2bHdA&ab_channel=Erster

etc. etc… …

kloan
Nov 5th, 2016, 05:30 AM
Or spend $30.00+ for a January solution for ALL the new models.

Kickstarter: Snapnator brings a low-profile MagSafe-like connection to all USB-C MacBook Pros

A pledge of $29 will get you the Snapnator USB-C magnetic connector and its adapter. Higher pledges include a USB-C to USB converters and a USB-C hub.

https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/03/kickstarter-snapnator-magsafe-alternative-macbook-pro/

My comments on Apple's or Jony's recent designs and direction aren't really fix for public forums.

This kind of product is already on the market. Seems these days so many of the products pitched on Kickstarter aren't even original.

WCraig
Nov 5th, 2016, 10:56 AM
nm

pm-r
Nov 5th, 2016, 02:38 PM
This kind of product is already on the market. Seems these days so many of the products pitched on Kickstarter aren't even original.


The trouble with some (Griffin for example) is that they don't have enough power capacity for the larger new late 2016 MBPro models.

PS: When is Apple finally going to start implementing a proper naming convention for their various models.

Gheese, mid-201x, late-2011 etc, gimme a break and let's get smart Apple.

kloan
Nov 5th, 2016, 08:47 PM
Totally agree, the naming scheme is ridiculous and confusing.

Good point about the power rating for the cables. They were ok for the 12" MacBook when the product(s) came out, but I guess the bigger machines would put too much load on them.

pm-r
Nov 5th, 2016, 09:22 PM
Totally agree, the naming scheme is ridiculous and confusing.


It seems we're sure not the only ones that think the same way:
https://www.google.ca/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=apple's+model+naming+scheme+is+ridiculous+and+co nfusing&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gfe_rd=cr&ei=83QeWI-6NOne8Ae_yrewDQ

Then try checking your iDevice and see if you can find normal translation of the model that Apple provides via it's Settings > General info. Damn near impossible even with everymac.com or Mactracker.app, and just forget trying to find much at Apple's own info or support sites. :confused: :( :mad: :ptptptptp

chrismccoy
Nov 6th, 2016, 09:51 PM
new macbook pros are way too pricey after the upgrades to cpu, video and drive.

MazterCBlazter
Mar 8th, 2017, 11:03 AM
Unbelievably bad decisions on design of the Macbook Pro(blems).

They should have left in the magsafe adapter and a USB port on each side. A more gradual phase in of Thunderchicken and phase out of USB would make more sense. Still limited to an insufficient 16gb of ram. Everything welded in, nothing upgradeable anymore. While previous Macbooks ram Windows OK, this one does a far worse job of it.

Why is Apple going to great lengths to make me not want to buy it's products anymore?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JirCwapScUs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axZBbgfEZf0

monokitty
Mar 9th, 2017, 11:52 AM
Still limited to an insufficient 16gb of ram. Everything welded in, nothing upgradeable anymore.]

I can pretty much guarantee 16GB of RAM is more than enough for 90%+ users. Additionally, nothing has been upgradable on the MBP since at least 2012 when the first Retina came out. Sure, those had removable SSD's, but the RAM never was and few people change the SSD as they are pretty darn pricey to upgrade on the pre-2016 Retina models.

MazterCBlazter
Mar 14th, 2017, 04:47 PM
I can pretty much guarantee 16GB of RAM is more than enough for 90%+ users. Additionally, nothing has been upgradable on the MBP since at least 2012 when the first Retina came out. Sure, those had removable SSD's, but the RAM never was and few people change the SSD as they are pretty darn pricey to upgrade on the pre-2016 Retina models.

I always found it necessary to go way over 20gb since 2010. Was not possible on Mac laptops, making them frustrating to use, but back then I could do this on my desktops to keep them from bogging down.

Small 128gb SSD's fill up fast.

I would have muiltiple web pages open and applications for cross referencing real estate, stock market, and other business software. No Mac laptop can handle it without bogging down. Need the ram, processing power, and disk space to keep it all in order and responding quiickly.

SINC
Mar 22nd, 2017, 11:41 AM
Depending on cost, this may solve a lot of issues for new MacBook Pro users:

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kloan
Mar 22nd, 2017, 02:12 PM
Probably a few hundred.