: New MacBook Pros — say goodbye to the old Mac boot chime


pm-r
Oct 30th, 2016, 11:52 PM
Yup, it seems the New MacBook Pros bring the end of an era for the old Mac boot chime…

https://9to5mac.com/2016/10/30/new-macbook-pros-lack-iconic-mac-startup-chime-but-they-do-automatically-boot-when-you-open-the-lid/#more-452413

I can't say it will be terribly missed and no doubt finally appreciated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zCLwDXj89k&ab_channel=TorreyLeonard

macintosh doctor
Oct 31st, 2016, 09:15 AM
kinda bummed its gone.

eMacMan
Oct 31st, 2016, 11:06 AM
Let me get this straight. Mac keeps turning one step procedures into multi-step routines, then crows about not having to push a button to turn on the laptop?

yeeeha
Oct 31st, 2016, 11:32 AM
Does that mean if you want to sleep one of these new MBPs, you would have to leave the lid open?

wonderings
Oct 31st, 2016, 11:53 AM
Let me get this straight. Mac keeps turning one step procedures into multi-step routines, then crows about not having to push a button to turn on the laptop?

I used to use Powerpoint weekly at our church because everything was Windows. I marvelled at how many steps it took to do the simplest thing that took 1 or 2 clicks in Keynote. Sadly those days have changed all throughout OSX/MacOS and the apps. Simplicity is gone and a switch seems to be happening, albeit it slowly. Microsoft the innovators and Apple the bloated OS. Now it is very slowly happening, I still prefer MacOS over Windows 10 but leaps and bounds. But Windows 10 is not a bad OS, their best version to date in my opinion. It will be interesting to see where things head in the next 5 to 10 years. Will Apple still be resisting touch screens and anything different then what they have been doing the previous 10? Will Microsoft be the leading OS that moves and tries new things, thinking different with 3D, augmented and virtual reality and how it can be used in daily life and work life? Honestly, at the moment my money is on Microsoft. They have some great ideas.

CubaMark
Oct 31st, 2016, 01:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BC9DYLEa0A

pm-r
Oct 31st, 2016, 02:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BC9DYLEa0A


Not to forget some of the not so normal startup sounds…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTwmtvrdJlQ&ab_channel=MartinNobel

CubaMark
Oct 31st, 2016, 02:55 PM
Heh - I've heard my share of those "death chimes"... ;)

CubaMark
Oct 31st, 2016, 02:59 PM
And now, this:

New MacBook Pros lack iconic Mac startup chime, but they do automatically boot when you open the lid (update: here’s how to enable it) (https://9to5mac.com/2016/10/30/new-macbook-pros-lack-iconic-mac-startup-chime-but-they-do-automatically-boot-when-you-open-the-lid/)

Update: There is apparently a way to make your 2016 MacBook chime again at boot, using an NVRAM tweak — full details here (https://pingie.com/2016/10/31/how-to-enable-the-startup-chime-on-the-2016-macbook-pros/) on how to do it. To enable chimes, open Terminal and type
sudo nvram BootAudio=%01
This is not documented or officially supported in any way, so mileage may vary. There’s also a flag to disable the auto-boot behavior.

(9to5mac (https://9to5mac.com/2016/10/30/new-macbook-pros-lack-iconic-mac-startup-chime-but-they-do-automatically-boot-when-you-open-the-lid/))

kloan
Oct 31st, 2016, 06:27 PM
Sorry, but I like to be able to choose whether or not my machine turns on when I open the lid (if it's completely shut down). If there's no way to configure the behaviour, it's beyond ridiculous.

SINC
Oct 31st, 2016, 07:08 PM
Sorry, but I like to be able to choose whether or not my machine turns on when I open the lid (if it's completely shut down). If there's no way to configure the behaviour, it's beyond ridiculous.

Yep, I routinely clean the display surface of my MBP by raising the lid and using lens cleaners and micro fibre cloths about every second day. I remove all spots and fingerprints and even the occasional overspray from a sneeze.

I cannot see these types of blemishes on the screen when it is lit, thus my cleaning is done with the machine off.

Not being able to do that would drive me nuts knowing I have a dirty screen.

YMMV and I may be overly clean, but whatever.

pm-r
Oct 31st, 2016, 07:41 PM
Sorry, but I like to be able to choose whether or not my machine turns on when I open the lid (if it's completely shut down). If there's no way to configure the behaviour, it's beyond ridiculous.


As the updated article URL says:

"There’s also a flag to disable the auto-boot behavior. …"

https://9to5mac.com/2016/10/30/new-macbook-pros-lack-iconic-mac-startup-chime-but-they-do-automatically-boot-when-you-open-the-lid/

Actually the new boot sound implementation or lack of actually makes sense, especially when I read at the above link:
"The new MacBooks end this tradition as the chime has been removed completely and the machines will make no noise at all on boot, unless there is a fault. However, there seems to be a good reason for this change …"
Bold mine.

Of course it will that most important of all critical meetings when that happens and the MBPro has a fault attack and boots up at full volume no less!!!

No doubt there will be some various hacks available, at least until such time that a jailbreak on a MBPro will be necessary to do any such thing. :mad:

HowEver
Oct 31st, 2016, 07:51 PM
You know that under the Apple top left it says "Sleep" and "Shut Down," right? You know you don't have to close the lid to turn the computer off? And that there are scripts to rewrite everything including boot chimes (see above)?

pm-r
Oct 31st, 2016, 08:52 PM
You know that under the Apple top left it says "Sleep" and "Shut Down," right? You know you don't have to close the lid to turn the computer off? And that there are scripts to rewrite everything including boot chimes (see above)?


I guess one of the unknowns with the new 2016 MB Pros is if they will actually work the same way.

If opening the lid boots them, does closing the lid make then shutdown or sleep.

https://9to5mac.com/2016/10/30/new-macbook-pros-lack-iconic-mac-startup-chime-but-they-do-automatically-boot-when-you-open-the-lid/ says this:

"The removal of the Mac chime was first noted by Pingie.com. A lesser-known feature about the new MacBook Pros is that the late-2016 laptops actually turn themselves on when you open the lid. Current MacBooks wake when the lid is opened if they are sleeping but the new machines go one step further. If they are fully switched off, opening the laptop will automatically turn them on, removing the need to press the power button. "
and
"It also means that there is now no difference in behavior between waking from sleep and booting from scratch, apart from a few more seconds of loading in the latter case. "

So I don't really know. Nor what "scripts" will still work or not…

kloan
Oct 31st, 2016, 09:41 PM
Yep, I routinely clean the display surface of my MBP by raising the lid and using lens cleaners and micro fibre cloths about every second day. I remove all spots and fingerprints and even the occasional overspray from a sneeze.

I cannot see these types of blemishes on the screen when it is lit, thus my cleaning is done with the machine off.

Not being able to do that would drive me nuts knowing I have a dirty screen.

YMMV and I may be overly clean, but whatever.

Right, this is how I clean my machine as well. So now what, we have to open the lid, wait for it to finish booting, select shut down from the Apple menu, wait for it to shut down, then we can clean it? Then again, if we're already using it, it's just a matter of shutting down while it's still open, and then cleaning it.

Regardless, I think it's stupid to have to reconfigure these settings through the Terminal instead of in System Preferences.

Meanwhile, considering the price of these now, it's likely gonna be years before I ever own one, so this isn't going to affect me at all. :)

CubaMark
Oct 31st, 2016, 10:12 PM
Right, this is how I clean my machine as well. So now what, we have to open the lid, wait for it to finish booting, select shut down from the Apple menu, wait for it to shut down, then we can clean it?

Or.... you could use the free Keyboard Cleaner app (http://jan.prima.de/~jan/plok/archives/48-Keyboard-Cleaner.html), which kills all input from the keyboard so you can clean it. When you're ready, just Command-Q to quit!

pm-r
Oct 31st, 2016, 11:07 PM
Or.... you could use the free Keyboard Cleaner app (http://jan.prima.de/~jan/plok/archives/48-Keyboard-Cleaner.html), which kills all input from the keyboard so you can clean it. When you're ready, just Command-Q to quit!


Wow, the only thing missing from that was the ghoulish grey graveyard fog and mist that would qualify if for a Halloween post!!! :D

Neat old nostalgia…

PS: My wife just emailed me from Mazatlan while visiting her sister there in her condo for two weeks, and they're just heading out for dinner with a bunch of Halloween treats in some bags for the kids there they say are so charming.

OK as long as they aren't packing some 38's or 45s I guess in case they don't get what they were expecting or wanting!!! But I'm sure they're all OK. ;)

macintosh doctor
Nov 1st, 2016, 01:40 PM
how to re enable the start up sound
O'Grady's PowerPage » Touch Bar-equipped 2016 MacBook Pro notebooks do away with classic startup chime sound (http://www.powerpage.org/touch-bar-equipped-2016-macbook-pro-notebooks-do-away-with-classic-startup-chime-sound/#more-70989)

ldphoto
Nov 1st, 2016, 10:17 PM
Perhaps I'm mostly paranoid, but I prefer to shut down my MAcBook when not using it out of the house. Having it shut down makes the contents of the bar drive pretty much impossible to read when encrypted with FileVault.

Kleles
Nov 3rd, 2016, 02:47 PM
No opening chime only on new MBP. It is present on my current MBP (mid 2014, OS 10.12.1).

pm-r
Nov 3rd, 2016, 04:04 PM
No opening chime only on new MBP. It is present on my current MBP (mid 2014, OS 10.12.1).


Yup!! Just as the subject says:

New MacBook Pros — say goodbye to the old Mac boot chime

Unless a hack has been applied to the older models or the volume is turned to super low and almost Off.