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Old Jul 31st, 2011, 04:46 PM   #1
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Is Lion heading in the right direction?

It may just be my imagination, but I think I sense a higher level of dissatisfaction with Lion as opposed to previous system upgrades.

We all have our preferences and methods which can conflict with a new “feature” in the latest OS, but usually the list is quite short, and we can quickly adapt, and eventually find work-arounds or accept the new UI as the norm. This time the opposition seems to be a little more widespread. (See many previous threads)

I suspect this drive to integrate iOS with OSX will expose many under-appreciated differences between how users work with hand-held devices and desktop machines.
Do we really need a uniform GUI on all devices?

I use Photoshop and Illustrator extensively, usually working with fairly complex images, 
I don’t require the digital equivalent of finger-painting. A stylus or mouse is more precise.

Many of the members have posted procedures to turn-off or revert controls/features in Lion (almost to the point of removing/reverting all the new changes, making the need to upgrade irrelevant.)

Perhaps the solution would be to facilitate greater customization of the GUI, maximise the capability to retain those features we want, incorporate new optional features, and in general allow the user more latitude to tailor his/her work environment to match their needs.

Would you like/want greater flexibility in how you interact with your machine?
Should there be more “bottom-up” direction as opposed to “top-down” dictate?

Should Apple offer as a special option, utilities such as Rosetta for those who absolutely must have it?

Maybe the best new feature could be choice of which new feature you want.
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Should Apple offer as a special option, utilities such as Rosetta for those who absolutely must have it?
No. It's the developer's obligation to update their software. If someone needs Rosetta support to run their application(s) because the developer is negligent in updating it, the developer screwed the customer, not Apple. If the developer or application is out of business, the customer needs to move on to replacement software, not get jammed into the stone age.

Upgrading to new operating systems is inevitable - eventually, software is unsupported on older OS's, forcing everyone to upgrade. I know a lot of software (mostly from smaller developers) that no longer runs on 10.5 or older. In a few years, it'll be the same situation with Lion - unsupported below 10.7, etc.
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No. It's the developer's obligation to update their software. If someone needs Rosetta support to run their application(s) because the developer is negligent in updating it, the developer screwed the customer, not Apple. If the developer or application is out of business, the customer needs to move on to replacement software, not get jammed into the stone age.

Upgrading to new operating systems is inevitable - eventually, software is unsupported on older OS's, forcing everyone to upgrade. I know a lot of software (mostly from smaller developers) that no longer runs on 10.5 or older. In a few years, it'll be the same situation with Lion - unsupported below 10.7, etc.
- That is a good post. Explains everything. Lion is still quite new. So you cannot expect to like it at first. However, as time goes by, reception of the OS may be better than now. As for the OP, yes, it is going in the right direction. You may not see it at first, but who knows what Lion could be in a couple of years. If you used a PC, you would know the same story happened while the transition of XP to Vista was made. Then 7 came along and made everything a bit better. Lion is like the bitter tasted Vista right now. When upgrades come along down the road, perhaps Lion could become Windows 7. A better loved operating system.........
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I have to disagree with comparing Lion to Vista... it's not even CLOSE to being that bad... Vista was a COMPLETE mess until after SP1... Lion is at least more than usable... for myself I'd adjusted within a week... though I still do miss the old spaces... that said there is VERY little in the way of new features that are all that useful for traditional desktop users... most seem to be aimed at laptop users... (all the new trackpad gestures, full screen apps, and mission control(which does away with the best aspects of spaces in favour of merging it with expose which I've always seen as more of a small screen feature). That's not to say these aren't important advances... there are a LOT of apple laptop users out there so you can hardly fault apple for catering to them.
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Old Jul 31st, 2011, 08:43 PM   #6
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I'm torn on this ... I think that Apple made some bad decisions in both the new UI and some legacy support stuff they dropped but I'm going to hold judgement for a little while (and hope that Apple listens to all the feedback and gets back on track with things). On a sheer technical front there are some substantial updates/changes at system level that they had to pull the trigger on in order to move the platform forward ... one thing that was pretty much a 100% rewrite that most people don't realize or care about is the whole installation process. I'm not talking about the "download installation only" part of things, I'm talking about the whole process (extra partitions) as well as the actual installation setup itself right from the booting onwards, from what I can see from the logs there is literally almost nothing that was brought up from the old process (which looked like it had some pretty nasty old bits still left in it here and there). This installer is very cohesive and well-designed as far as I can tell. Bootstrapping into new whole setups can be quite messy and Apple, while enforcing some odd requirements, did manage to do a very credible job of this. In fact I would almost go so far to say that Apple can pull off this sort of thing where other companies fear to tread ... they are the masters of it. They have switched hardware and software platforms more gracefully than anyone and they have done it often. With a low level change of that kind of magnitude you're bound to bet there are good reasons for it and quite possible for reasons we don't even know about yet. That to me speaks volumes about the work they've done on this stuff. While there are some serious bugs Lion still feels quite usable for a .0 release!

Also watching some of the verbose boot text it seems like they've done more low level consolidation of things such as services and the like -- even the SL services could be a bit messy and felt like an added on kind of hack (they were really). So in those low level areas it feels like Apple has made some substantial updates under-the-hood that not many users know or care about but are ultimately big moves for the platform itself. Lots of the stuff with *nix roots can still have some really really nasty stuff if you dig deep enough, and Apple alone seems to be pushing forward in trying to get that part of things cleaned up so-to-speak. The UI ... that I'm not terribly sold on for the moment but I'll give it some time to see what happens, and as for bugs, Apple is generally not that bad at plugging them. I suspect the 1. and .2 updates will be immensely helpful in sorting out a lot of issues.
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The subject of whether apple should or shouldn't merge their os's will be hotly debated for a while. I'm not surprised. Apple is in this game to win. They don't care what I, or any other develope/designer/power user thinks. They just don't. Period.

If they become the biggest computer maker with the biggest markets share, that's really what matters, not if we are ticked because some powerPC app doesn't work, or because our production machine is less easy to use.

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I'm torn on this ... I think that Apple made some bad decisions in both the new UI and some legacy support stuff they dropped but I'm going to hold judgement for a little while (and hope that Apple listens to all the feedback and gets back on track with things). On a sheer technical front there are some substantial updates/changes at system level that they had to pull the trigger on in order to move the platform forward
I will agree with you from your perspective, but I will soldier on from mine. I certainly do not have the tech know how that you do, but I too from a "layman" user's point of view am torn. Some of Lion appeals to me and some goes so far as to anger me. To be fair, I will give it a try for a few weeks. Seems to me the least I can do is live with it for a while and not outright reject it early on.

I have even left the scrolling alone to see if I can master the switch. I'll never stay current with the average user end of the technology if I dump things before I really give them a chance.

I'll give it my best shot in the days and weeks to come.
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Just had some wonkyness in Facebook, The whole screen went strange and every time I clicked I got parts of my desktop showing through, Also when I tried to take a screenshot, Then it went blank, There is definitely something wrong with this version of Lion.

Man...I should have done a beta test on this O.S. for sure.
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